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With respect...some do not find it necessary to delve into catholic definitions and verbiage, which so often goes to nauseating lengths to drive their points, which actually distracts from the centrality of Jesus Christ..... But even more so with the catholic teaching that Mary is Gods Mother.

Common sense says God has no mother....He is not a created being...He is the creator. To infer that because the Biblical Mary ‘bore’ Jesus makes her Gods Mother is only done so as to keep the cult of Mariology in it's place and thriving among it's membership to Romes advantage.

Therefore.... we who are not catholics do understand the arguements and debates regarding her, they've been presented years now for those of us who have been here awhile......so with that we of course reject the idea, as catholics present their mary, as 'something else' then the Biblical account of Mary. Prefering instead to believe in the absolute Centrality of Jesus Christ as he presents Himself to be and this according to that which is written..

With respect...some do not find it necessary to delve into catholic definitions and verbiage, which so often goes to nauseating lengths ....

Very briefly, since I must be about my business..you do well to use the lower case c - catholic because that means "universal." Which relates to what was believed by everyone in every place. Of course, Arius stood up and had to be slapped down.

Suggest to perhaps lay aside the frustration noted in engaging the argument. Gain some more understanding of the neutral facts of the history and the issues involved and the possible consequences of unchecked error and let your own mind grapple with that.

I agree with what you stated. It is indeed a frustrating and, most times, fruitless endeavor to dissuade a Roman Catholic devoted to the virgin Mary to even consider they may be wrong. That, tied in with the inability to accept their church may be in error about anything, only makes it more so. Any type of disagreement with them - especially on this subject - will be met with crying accusations of hatred and disrespect for Mary no matter how many times we state our respect and admiration for the Biblical one. Any opposition will be seen as personal attacks and will be met with outrage and automatic rejection no matter what we say.

Such strident reactions shouldn't, of course, prevent us from at least trying to explain our positions and reasons for rejecting their dogmas - and they ARE solid and Biblical ones. Until and unless God first opens eyes and hearts to the truth of the Gospel of grace, arguing one-on-one may only be like talking to a wall. There is a blindness that outraged Mary devotees don't realize they have. It's a good idea to remember that we are commanded to always "speak the truth in love" and to "answer everyone that asks us of the hope that is within us with gentleness and respect". God will honor our words and His truth WILL reach hearts He has prepared for it.