Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

1/24/15 | Self

[RnMomof7]

What is real: “Blessed Art Thou Among Women,” the other is a pagan belief.

Yes she was blessed to be chosen as the other of the Savior..

[ifinnegan]

“false premise that Mary somehow becomes a goddess if she is the mother of God”

Yes. That would be a false premise.

This thread is not premised on that.

It is premised on the claims in the Mary Matters thread that Mary was sinless and is a co-redeemer of humankind with Christ.

Those characteristic do define her as God.

[ifinnegan]

Thanks.

I am very cynical about that one, built in 2005.

It’s not historic.

It’s a cynical ploy by the Chinese Communists to allow it built.

They were like the Taliban, destroying as many such historical statues and other religious displays as they could.

So now they have to build the biggest Guan Yin in the world.

[ealgeone]

>However, we do have ample evidence of the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church ordering the things done to non-catholics....”<

Post those orders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inquisition

I believe this covers it.

As I've proven your first doubt wrong, as it seems I always do, I'm not going to waste my time answering the others.

[vladimir998]

Well, as I knew would happen, you failed. Nothing you posted actually shows what you claimed. It was inevitable you would fail because your claim was built on a faulty premise to begin with, of course.

[ealgeone]

Not in Jesus's perfect salvific act, the salvation of humanity being due to Christ alone and unassisted. But she fulfilled a role in God's plan that began with her consent to bear The Christ.

That's a pretty big change in your position and a truthful admission I was making. Mary plays no role in our salvation. It's only through Christ.

However, based on your logic a lot of people played a role in the life of Christ. Joseph for raising Him and teaching Him carpentry, the Scribes He debated with, John, who Jesus called the greatest born among women.

Notice Mary was not addressed in this manner. Only John.

. This is yet another occasion when Mary could have been elevated in the Bible to the lofty status catholicism gives her, yet the Bible again does not afford her the status found only in the rcc.

It's only in non-biblical sources can the catholic find the status the rcc accords Mary.

I find that telling.

[Rashputin]

People who insist the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect the Scripture from the inclusion of error are people who have dedicated their lives to following Self and Self Alone exactly like Eve, not to following Jesus Christ.

Christ will not be impressed with being told, That's what Scripture says, but that's not what it means". You're right, no one but you and Jesus at which time Jesus said He will tell such folks, "I never knew you

have a nice day

[ealgeone]

Well, as I knew would happen, you failed. Nothing you posted actually shows what you claimed. It was inevitable you would fail because your claim was built on a faulty premise to begin with, of course.

You could fall in water and deny you're wet.

Sorry you fail to acknowledge the brutal past of catholicism and the evil conducted by your popes.

[vladimir998]

“You could fall in water and deny you’re wet.”

No, but I would deny that your post proved what your previous post claimed because it, in fact, did not prove what you claimed. If you have proof, you would post it, I would think. You aren’t posting any. That speaks volumes.

“Sorry you fail to acknowledge the brutal past of catholicism and the evil conducted by your popes.”

What I acknowledge is that you’re not posting any evidence for your claims. Why aren’t you?

[ealgeone]

Like the inquisitorial process itself, torture was an ancient Roman legal practice revived in Europe in the thirteenth century. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad extirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors. Torture was undoubtedly used in the trial of the Templars, but is in fact not much found in heresy trials until the later fourteenth century. Torture methods that resulted in bloodshed, births, mutilation or death were forbidden. Also, torture could be performed only once. However, it was common practice to consider a second torture session to be a "continuation" of the first.

enjoy the swim.

but knowing you, unless you saw it you'd probably doubt it happened.

you'd probably deny the Holocaust happened as well.

[vladimir998]

“On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad extirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors.”

1) Not an order to torture people. A document that allowed what many Freepers would call “enhanced interrogation techniques” to be used in heresy trials. There was no mandatory usage ordered. Hence, you failed.
2) According to your own source it wasn’t really even used by the inquisition in heresy trials until 130 years after the first inquisition.
3) It still hasn’t proved what was claimed.

Thanks for playing. You will of course continue to fail to prove that there were orders by popes to torture, or murder people because there were no such orders.

[Syncro]

Mary plays no role in our salvation. It's only through Christ.

However, based on your logic a lot of people played a role in the life of Christ. Joseph for raising Him and teaching Him carpentry, the Scribes He debated with, John...

Also in the lineage of Jesus was a woman described as "Rahab the Harlot"

Who actually was a gentile.

God didn't have to have any sinless people in the ancenstry of Jesus, just those willing to help. As Rahab and Mary were.

...John, who Jesus called the greatest born among women.

Notice Mary was not addressed in this manner. Only John.

This is yet another occasion when Mary could have been elevated in the Bible to the lofty status catholicism gives her, yet the Bible again does not afford her the status found only in the rcc.

It's only in non-biblical sources can the catholic find the status the rcc accords Mary.

Thanks for your post eagleone

[Westbrook]

Torqeumada and the Pope were in close communication, regardless of the distance between them. What Torquemada did, he did at the bidding of the Roman Popae, and with permission from Isabella and Ferdinand. He was, after all, Isabella’s confessor.

> That leaves your sect out.

I don’t ascribe to any “sect”.

Let us follow Jesus, even as Paul followed Jesus.

We are not perfect. But we must pursue The Way the Savior set before us.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"That's a pretty big change in your position"

To the contrary, it is not the slightest change in my position. It is the doctrine of the Church.

[ealgeone]

On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad extirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors.”

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Here's more....I typed slow so you could keep up.

A century later, during the Spanish Inquisition, interrogators began using more elaborate forms of torture, such as the rack, the pulley and waterboarding. They also began parading their victims through the streets in elaborate displays of punishment.

We can keep playing this game with your denials of what happened at the hands of the rcc as authorized by the popes. But I grow weary dealing with stubbornness.

The rcc, as authorized by the popes, practiced torture. History clearly records this.

You keep living in your denial and I will continue to live with the facts.

This will be my last post to you on this. You can have the last word.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Tell me genius...where in the NT does is specifically say we are to “PRAY” to “MOTHER” Mary?

I’ll wait patiently.....

[Steelfish]

Before the Bible was put together by the early Church fathers, we had the oral traditions sacred ritual and liturgy.

Before spouting out further nonsense and making a fool of oneself where angels fear to tread, try watching Tim Staples, a convert to Catholicism from Jimmy Swaggart’s Bible College, a former devoted Assemblies of God Pentecostalist –researcher and preacher who truly sought to disprove Catholic doctrine, especially the Marian doctrines and indeed made it his mission to show they were dead wrong. This was a 20-year effort on his part.

This video is an eye-opener! Even better, get his book and read it with the same honest inquiry as he did. That is only if you want to truly explore fearlessly the truth like he did or instead choose to enjoy the bliss of ignorance and post the kind of kindergarten stuff on FR that pastors of corner street churches deliver to their Sunday congregants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCWe10ypkvw

[vladimir998]

“Torqeumada and the Pope were in close communication, regardless of the distance between them.”

No.

“What Torquemada did, he did at the bidding of the Roman Popae, and with permission from Isabella and Ferdinand.”

No. Torquemada refused the pleas of the pope to correct the excesses of the Spanish Inquisition. You might want to read Hillgarth, The Spanish Kingdoms, vol 2 pages 547-548.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"the brutal persecution of Christians and Jews at the hands of the Borgia popes and their infamous henchman Torquemada."

The brutality of the inquisition has become the stuff of legends and been blown far out of proportion. Henningsen, Cárcel and Contreras, using preserved inquisition records, have placed the number of investigations over the course of the Inquisition (which was administered by the Spanish government, btw, not the Church), at between 100,000 and 150,000. Of that number only a small percentage faced torture or execution. And bear in mind, the primary reason the inquisition was established was to combat Islamic subversion. The number of non-Catholic Christians who faced the inquisition was certainly fewer than the number of Catholics executed by the English, for example.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

So all you’ve got is “oral traditions”.

Like tribal ‘tales’?

Rituals? (WTH is that?)

I’m a former Catholic for 20 years plus BTW too, so I know a thing or two about this religion.

Marian worship is a lie from the pit of hell. You can’t quote me one scripture that supports it from the Holy Bible, which is the Infallible Word of God straight from Him. If you’re going to quote “church fathers” (who are they? Peter? Paul? Timothy?) at least quote valid scriptures.

Again...I’ll wait very patiently for your scriptural response.