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To: CA Conservative; RnMomof7; metmom; Gamecock; Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; DarkSavant; Morgana; ...
>>Someone married but without children cannot be a bishop?<<

Um,,,,,,that was Paul writing that, not me.

>>So in your opinion, Paul was saying that he himself was not qualified to be a bishop?<<

Prove that Paul was never married and didn't have children. Let me help a little there. All indications say that Paul was part of the Sanhedrin. To be a member of the Sanhedrin you had to be married and at least 30 years of age.

38 posted on 02/02/2015 11:19:52 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Precisely. In those days you were considered an outcast or a weirdo if you weren’t married. In Paul’s station in life-—being a member of the Sanhedrin class, it is virtually a given that he must have been married at one point.


40 posted on 02/02/2015 11:23:14 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: CynicalBear
Prove that Paul was never married and didn't have children. Let me help a little there. All indications say that Paul was part of the Sanhedrin. To be a member of the Sanhedrin you had to be married and at least 30 years of age.

1 Corinthians 7:8: So I say to those who aren't married and to widows--it's better to stay unmarried, just as I am.

He was unmarried, whether he was always single, divorced, widowed, etc. is irrelevant. Timothy says he must be married.
42 posted on 02/02/2015 11:29:40 AM PST by DarkSavant
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Prove that Paul was never married and didn't have children.

We know that Paul was not married at the time he wrote 1 Corinthians, but not of his marital status prior to that. As you say, it is logical to assume he had been married before, but we have no proof. By the same token we have no PROOF that Paul had any children. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. It only becomes a critical point if you are going to insist that Paul meant that ONLY a man who was married and had children could be a leader in the church. That makes no more sense than the Catholics insisting that a priest should not be married because of Paul's statement in 1 Corinthians.

Since we lack the proof of Paul's marital or parental status, a reasonable reading of the scripture, to be in harmony with his writings to the Corinthians, would be that to be a bishop, if one is married, he cannot be married to more than one woman; if he has children, he needs to have raised them well, to be obedient and in submission. To read the scripture to REQUIRE a bishop be married and have children would require us to make assumptions about Paul that you yourself have pointed out cannot be proven either way.

46 posted on 02/02/2015 11:41:21 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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