Posted on 02/08/2015 12:34:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
Well, pardon my limited knowledge of the Reformers essentially doing away with the Priesthood in their theology and I have no idea who Greg Dues is but I agree with him regarding the term “Priest.” Back then, as he says in the second paragraph, they were known as ‘Elders,’ ‘Presbyteori’ and ‘Episkopos.’ It gives me no cause for concern whatsoever.
Here is something I copied it you care to read it.
The Old Testament describes how God made his people “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation,”[9] and within the twelve tribes of Israel, the tribe of Levi was chosen to be set apart for the liturgical service of offering sacrifice as priests.[10] The priest was understood as a mediator between God and human beings who offers sacrifices and intercedes for the people.
The New Testament depicts Jesus as the “great high priest” of the New Covenant who, instead of offering the ritual animal sacrifices prescribed by the Jewish Law, offers himself on the cross as the true and perfect sacrifice.[11] The Catholic priesthood is a participation in this priesthood of Christ, and therefore traces its origins to Jesus Christ himself. Thus, the New Testament says that as high priest, Jesus has made the Church “a kingdom of priests for his God and Father.”[12] All who are baptized are given a share in the priesthood of Christ; that is, they are conformed to Christ and made capable of offering true worship and praise to God as Christians. “The whole community of believers is, as such, priestly.”[13]
The ministerial priesthood of Catholic priests and bishops — what most people think of as “the Catholic priesthood” — has a distinct history. This ministerial priesthood is at the service of the priesthood of all believers and involves the direct consecration of a man to Christ through the sacrament of orders, so that he can act in the person of Christ for the sake of the Christian faithful, above all in dispensing the sacraments. It is understood to have begun at the Last Supper, when Jesus Christ instituted the Eucharist in the presence of the Twelve Apostles, commanding them to “do this in memory of me.”
The Catholic priesthood, therefore, is a share in the priesthood of Christ and traces its historical origins to the Twelve Apostles appointed by Christ. Those apostles in turn selected other men to succeed them as the bishops (”episkopoi”, Greek for “overseers”) of the Christian communities, with whom were associated presbyters (”presbyteroi”, Greek for “elders”) and deacons (”diakonoi”, Greek for “servants”). As communities multiplied and grew in size, the bishops appointed more and more presbyters to preside at the Eucharist in place of the bishop in the multiple communities in each region.
The diaconate evolved as the liturgical assistants of the bishop and his delegate for the administration of Church funds and programmes for the poor. Today, the rank of “presbyter” is typically what one thinks of as a “priest”, although technically both a bishop and a presbyter are “priests” in the sense that they share in Christ’s ministerial priesthood and offer sacrifice to God in the person of Christ.[14]
Show from scripture where it says the last supper was a sacrifice.
Yep and cannibalism at its finest
So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep [i.e., died].
Please take time to read the entire chapter.. Paul was speaking directly to problems that existed in the Corinthian church
people were separating and having "exclusive " services..some were bring in food they would not share , some came to the table intoxicated
Cor 11:17In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!
THIS was the "unworthiness" that Paul addressed.. ...."33So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. 34Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment."
Notice there was no "priest" or a teaching there need be one... there was no "magic words" whispered over the bread....No command not to drop it or to lock up what was left over ...
This was a command to respect the memorial supper.. not to made to as guilty as those that hung Christ on the cross
Really ?? LOL ...Did the apostles eat the real actual skin and muscle of Christ...Did they drink His actual blood ??
That cracker does not turn into the body of Christ nor does the wine turn into the blood. Discerning the body of Christ does NOT mean that those elements turn into something they are not. Regardless of what your make believe magicians say.
It’s interesting to note that there have been Eucharistic miracles throughout the centuries. One of the more famous is the Miracle of Lanciano, Italy.
http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html
A more recent one reportedly happened in 1996 to now Pope Francis when he was a Bishop in Argentina.
No evasion. It’s a highly pertinent question. Can you handle it? Why are you invoking the bible?
Are you really going to claim you’ve never heard Jesus referred to as a “Sacrificial Lamb”?
I’m not aware of any scriptural translation that uses the word “sacrifice”, but the words “take this and eat it, for this is My Body”, and “take this and drink it, for this is My Blood” clearly follows the historical pattern of sacrificial meals.
Can’t answer. Noted.
You’ll have to take that up with Jesus; given that the historical record suggests He was in good health until the beginning of the crucifixion ritual leads me to believe that when Jesus said “take this and eat, for this is My Body”, what He distributed around the table retained the outward appearances of bread.
It's God's word!!!!
Now, why are are afraid of it?
Now you’re calling Jesus a “make believe magician”?
Interesting concept.
The rebellion runs deep with some Protestants.
Dude! That "lamb" is no longer on an altar.
Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Stop putting Him back on your altar will ya!! And you might want to read Revelation 6 to see what He does to those who sacrificed Him.
Jesus isn't saying those incantations over those crackers.
How do you know the bible is God’s word? Don’t huff and puff; just answer.How do you know?
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He told us not to!
He told us to avoid all appearance of evil, and this openly pagan display transcends the appearance, and plunges to the heart of evil.
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Harvest House doesn’t publish “agnostics.”
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Hebrews.
Revelation.
He was being sarcastic.
He was pointing out that the Protestants who rant about what “Scripture” teaches, bend themselves into pretzels explaining how Jesus didn’t mean anything he said about eating his body and drinking his blood.
God said so. He promised the prophets of old that He would preserve His word for all generations. Jesus told the apostles that the Holy Spirit would bring to their remembrance all that He said and that we were promised that indwelling of the Holy Spirit as a guide and teacher. The oracles of God in the Old Testament were entrusted to the Jews who preserve them to this day. The words of the New Testament were entrusted to the apostles and whose writings have been preserved through multiple means for us today. To God and God alone be the glory and praise.
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