Posted on 02/08/2015 12:34:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
Ping
“Why then does the Church seek to continually re-present Christ in His victimhood to the Father?”
Because he told us to. Thanks for asking.
Actually the Body and Blood is for the nourishment of the Christian, not an eternal sacrifice. Christ sacrificed once for all, and said “It is finished” Thanks for playing though.
Hebrews 10:10
“And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
There, that settles it.
Wow! What a sobering condemnation of the Catholic mass. Based on changing the words of scripture. What a sickening feeling individual Catholics should get when they realize they are actually participating in the “continual sacrifice” of Christ. No “having done it once for all” and now sits in glory for them.
What’s your authority?
Book, chapter, and verse please.
For the whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prayers for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them on their behalf.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Homilies, 172, 2 (AD 400
thought it might be enlightening to hear from the person RC Sproul has called perhaps the greatest theologian ever.
And on the Lord’s own day gather yourselves together and break bread and give thanks, first confessing your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.” - Didache, 14, 1 (AD 60)
“Since then these things are manifest to us, and we have looked into the depths of the divine knowledge, we ought to do in order all things which the Master commanded us to perform at appointed times. He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly, but at fixed times and hours.” - St. Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 40, 1-2 (AD 95)
“Accordingly, God, anticipating all the sacrifices which we offer through this name, and which Jesus the Christ enjoined us to offer, in the Eucharist of the bread and the cup, and which are presented by Christians in all places throughout the world, bears witness that they are well-pleasing to Him.” - St. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 117 (AD 150)
posted from the Orthodox Apologetics web site.
earlier this poster quoted from Clement of Rome supposedly teaching justification by faith ALONE......now I guess Clement will join the rest of us bread worshippers as a heretic. isn’t it interesting that the Church left by the Apostles is condemned today by false teachers??
Actually the Body and Blood
you mean actually the “representation” of the Body and Blood don’t you?
after all, Jesus said “This REPRESENTS My Body”, not “This is My Body”, right?
In college, I got saved by grace through faith in the full payment of Jesus’ death for my sins.
Afterward, I struggled with whether to stay in or leave the roman church.
A few times, I looked up all the references in Hebrews of the phrase “once for all”.
Sadly, not even Catholics themselves understand or agree on what the Mass is or what it isn’t. The rcc has oscillated between being schizophrenic and being dishonest in their doctrines and teachings. Witness the warfare between the Novus Ordo and the SSPX - for example.
Where and when?
Why are you interested in the bible?
I learned quite a lot about the Catholic belief system, but never embraced it. This belief--that the bread and wine are literally transformed into the body and blood of Christ, is called transubstantiation.This goes against what the Bible plainly teaches, and conveniently avoids the question: which Body are we talking about--Christ's original human body or His resurrection body?
BTW, I was saved in 1980 after hearing, understanding and accepting Christ's once for all sacrifice for me.
I’m a protestant evangelical...
Just because RC Sproul says Augustine is the “greatest” doesn’t make it so. Sproul and Augustine are both wrong on allegorism, eschatology and assurance.
Is this the James McCarthy who was once a bishop, then fell in love, and left the RC church to get married?
Just asking.
If so, I know he became embittered and an agnostic.
Why did King David refuse to drink the blood of his soldiers that they retrieved from the well in Bethlehem?
I’m a protestant evangelical...
I am not sure what a “protestant evangelical” is, but I do know what the Church has received concerning the Eucharist as evidenced by the Scriptures and the Church Fathers and accepted by all Christians up until the 16th century.
Forgive us if some of us continue to hold the historical, orthodox Christian Faith as opposed to the 16th century tradition of men.
This goes against what the Bible plainly teaches
you are correct sir, for the Bible clearly records Jesus saying “ This REPRESENTS my Body”. why don’t the Catholics understand this? they MIGHT have a point if Jesus said “This IS My Body”, but we have to go with what as you say “the Bible plainly teaches”
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