Posted on 02/08/2015 12:34:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
Why did he refuse to drink the blood of a dead soldier pulled from a well? How about because he wasn’t deranged and insane?
No one in their right mind would do it.
After reading this I realize that the problem with the author’s entire premise is that God, as defined by Catholics, does not work in earthly time.
For example: If Jesus died for our sins, How could he die for sins that were yet to be committed? Since he suffered already 2000 years ago, why should I worry about my own sins, since his suffering is over?
You may wonder why I bring this up? I was taught that every time I sinned, I was adding to the suffering of my Redeemer. Was that a bunch of foolishness? Yet, I accept it as truth because God is eternal and to him, our earthly time does not constrain him. If I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior, then I must also accept responsibility as part of the human race for the my sinfulness and ask for his forgiveness.
When you start out with an outright lie, well two lies actually, everything else is automatically suspect.
Just as the Jewish people believe they are participating in the original Passover, Catholics believe that we are participating in the actions of the last supper. We know that it is once for ALL, not ONCE for all.
But hey Catholics are not going to call Jesus a Liar, like the prots do. He said it is HIS body and blood and I believe Him.
OK, I’ll answer my question. He is not the same person I was think of. So. I apologize for the error.
because we are commanded only to drink the blood of our Lord.
1 Corinthians 10:16
the cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the BLOOD OF CHRIST?
Catholics have answered this question “yes” for 2,000 years.
I guess there are some who would answer Paul “No, it only REPRESENTS the blood of Christ”.
Why are you trying to evade?
Jesus laid down His life Himself, once for all, that there be no more need for any other sacrifices.
Jesus is in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father, interceding for us.
Jesus' resurrection proves that the sacrifice was done. If it wasn't finished, then Jesus would not have risen from the dead.
Acts 2:32-36 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
Acts 5:30-31 The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Ephesians 1:15-23 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.
Ephesians 2:4-6 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Colossians 3:1 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
Romans 8:34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Hebrews 1:1-4 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
Hebrews 9:11-17 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Hebrews 8:1-2 Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man.
Hebrews 9:24-28 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Hebrews 10:8-14 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
Hebrews 10:15-18 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Hebrews 12:1-2 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
1 Peter 3:21-22 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
It's hard to imagine how Scripture could be more plain.
St. Paul, 1 Cor 11For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep [i.e., died].
“the Bible clearly records Jesus saying “ This REPRESENTS my Body”.............
My bible does not say anything about ‘representing’ my body. In m version Jesus sais, “this is my body”.
Also, In John, chapter 6, it tells about Jesus speaking to his apostles and disciples. He told them that unless they ate his body and drank his blood they would not have everlasting life. The gospel clearly indicated that many did not like what they were hearing and left saddened. Then Jesus asked his apostle whether they were leaving too, and that is when Peter said, “Lord, to whom shall we turn? You have the words of everlasting life.”
Think about it. If Jesus knew that the people leaving were misunderstanding him, would he not have clarified his words? Yet, he did not. Instead it implied that Jesus was also sad as he was disappointed in them.
Jesus said He was the true vine, the door, and bread.
That must mean He was made of leaves and stems, wood, and flour and water.
Gonna have a salad with that communion while you’re at it?
The wood adds a lot of roughage, wouldn’t you think?
He called the cup, *the fruit of the vine*.
Also in John 6 He said that the flesh profits nothing and the Spirit gives life and the words He spoke were spirit and life.
“Was not Christ once for all offered up in His own person as a sacrifice? And yet, is He not likewise offered up in the sacrament as a sacrifice, not only in the special solemnities of Easter, but also daily among our congregations; so that the man who, being questioned, answers that He is offered as a sacrifice in that ordinance, declares what is strictly true? For if sacraments had not some points of real resemblance to the things of which they are the sacraments, they would not be sacraments at all” -St. Augustine of Hippo
“The question is posed, whether what the priest does is properly called “sacrifice” or “offering” (immolatio), and whether Christ is offered (immoletur) daily, or was offered only once. The answer can be made briefly, that that which is offered and consecrated by the priest is called sacrifice and offering (oblatio), because it is the memory and representation of the true sacrifice and holy offering (immolatio) made on the altar of the Cross.
And Christ died once on the Cross, and there was offered (immolatus) in Himself; but daily He is offered in the Sacrament, because in the Sacrament, there takes place the remembrance of what was done once...… what is done on the altar is and is called a sacrifice; and Christ was offered once, and is offered daily, but in one manner then, in another now.” -Peter Lombard
St Ignatius of Antioch, taught by the Apostle John and eventually martyred in Rome for his Faith in the Lord, told us the Gnostics in his day abstained from the Eucharist because they denied the Eucharist was the Body of the Lord.
so I apologize for an earlier comment that this belief arose in the 16th century. it actually was first believed by the Gnostics in the first and second century.
so if you wish to agree with the Gnostics over a martyr personally taught by St John, have at it........
I go by the original Word of God, not the traditionsd of the so-called “early church fathers” or the various writings of flawed church councils.
As a former rcc member: I say:
“If you accept Vatican 2,
You think your church is alive.
If you reject Vatican 2,
You admit your church is dead.”
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Reading the docs of Vatican 2 was VERY helpful in leaving thr rcc, especially its ridiculous, incorrect, heretical and downright EVIL statements on islam.
Christ “entered once for all” on the cross, in Jerusalem.
Now that he is risen, in heaven, Christ “enters” CONSTANTLY and presents himself and his death to the Father.
The Mass is a participation in what Jesus is doing NOW in heaven. It is not an attempt to repeat what Jesus did once for all, in Jerusalem.
The Mass is offered again and again, all over the world, in obedience to Christ’s words: “Do this in memory of me.”
Those who refuse to obey Jesus in this evidently do not believe the words of Scripture.
Prots are terrified of the truth. That is why they work so hard trying to drag Catholics out of the one true Church. They rationalize that if others leave than they themselves made the right choice.
Let's face it you actually have to think to be Catholic, you can't just rely on the feel goodism (Yeah I know it isn't a real word) of the lively worship music and doughnuts for fellowship.
Are you familiar with the Bible passage I am referencing?
Catholics like to have their cake and eat it too.
It’s another one of those situations where say something out of both sides of their mouth so no matter what a non-Catholic says, they can always tell them they’re wrong.
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Thank you for asking.
Prots are so cute when they try (and fail miserably) to appear intelligent.
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