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“Why then does the Church seek to continually re-present Christ in His victimhood to the Father?”
Because he told us to. Thanks for asking.
For the whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prayers for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them on their behalf.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Homilies, 172, 2 (AD 400
thought it might be enlightening to hear from the person RC Sproul has called perhaps the greatest theologian ever.
And on the Lord’s own day gather yourselves together and break bread and give thanks, first confessing your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.” - Didache, 14, 1 (AD 60)
“Since then these things are manifest to us, and we have looked into the depths of the divine knowledge, we ought to do in order all things which the Master commanded us to perform at appointed times. He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly, but at fixed times and hours.” - St. Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 40, 1-2 (AD 95)
“Accordingly, God, anticipating all the sacrifices which we offer through this name, and which Jesus the Christ enjoined us to offer, in the Eucharist of the bread and the cup, and which are presented by Christians in all places throughout the world, bears witness that they are well-pleasing to Him.” - St. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 117 (AD 150)
posted from the Orthodox Apologetics web site.
earlier this poster quoted from Clement of Rome supposedly teaching justification by faith ALONE......now I guess Clement will join the rest of us bread worshippers as a heretic. isn’t it interesting that the Church left by the Apostles is condemned today by false teachers??
In college, I got saved by grace through faith in the full payment of Jesus’ death for my sins.
Afterward, I struggled with whether to stay in or leave the roman church.
A few times, I looked up all the references in Hebrews of the phrase “once for all”.
Sadly, not even Catholics themselves understand or agree on what the Mass is or what it isn’t. The rcc has oscillated between being schizophrenic and being dishonest in their doctrines and teachings. Witness the warfare between the Novus Ordo and the SSPX - for example.
I learned quite a lot about the Catholic belief system, but never embraced it. This belief--that the bread and wine are literally transformed into the body and blood of Christ, is called transubstantiation.This goes against what the Bible plainly teaches, and conveniently avoids the question: which Body are we talking about--Christ's original human body or His resurrection body?
BTW, I was saved in 1980 after hearing, understanding and accepting Christ's once for all sacrifice for me.
Is this the James McCarthy who was once a bishop, then fell in love, and left the RC church to get married?
Just asking.
If so, I know he became embittered and an agnostic.
After reading this I realize that the problem with the author’s entire premise is that God, as defined by Catholics, does not work in earthly time.
For example: If Jesus died for our sins, How could he die for sins that were yet to be committed? Since he suffered already 2000 years ago, why should I worry about my own sins, since his suffering is over?
You may wonder why I bring this up? I was taught that every time I sinned, I was adding to the suffering of my Redeemer. Was that a bunch of foolishness? Yet, I accept it as truth because God is eternal and to him, our earthly time does not constrain him. If I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior, then I must also accept responsibility as part of the human race for the my sinfulness and ask for his forgiveness.
When you start out with an outright lie, well two lies actually, everything else is automatically suspect.
Just as the Jewish people believe they are participating in the original Passover, Catholics believe that we are participating in the actions of the last supper. We know that it is once for ALL, not ONCE for all.
But hey Catholics are not going to call Jesus a Liar, like the prots do. He said it is HIS body and blood and I believe Him.
Jesus laid down His life Himself, once for all, that there be no more need for any other sacrifices.
Jesus is in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father, interceding for us.
Jesus' resurrection proves that the sacrifice was done. If it wasn't finished, then Jesus would not have risen from the dead.
Acts 2:32-36 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
Acts 5:30-31 The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Ephesians 1:15-23 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.
Ephesians 2:4-6 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Colossians 3:1 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
Romans 8:34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Hebrews 1:1-4 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
Hebrews 9:11-17 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Hebrews 8:1-2 Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man.
Hebrews 9:24-28 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Hebrews 10:8-14 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
Hebrews 10:15-18 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Hebrews 12:1-2 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
1 Peter 3:21-22 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
Christ “entered once for all” on the cross, in Jerusalem.
Now that he is risen, in heaven, Christ “enters” CONSTANTLY and presents himself and his death to the Father.
The Mass is a participation in what Jesus is doing NOW in heaven. It is not an attempt to repeat what Jesus did once for all, in Jerusalem.
The Mass is offered again and again, all over the world, in obedience to Christ’s words: “Do this in memory of me.”
Those who refuse to obey Jesus in this evidently do not believe the words of Scripture.
Oh crikes how many times does this carpola have to get posted before it gets a wooden stake? LOL!
“...most Catholics don’t realize that the mass is a real and true sacrifice...”
Says who? That phony looking dude with the make up on? Why do we believe him? Does he have any credible research for this statement?
Actually all Catholics realize that the mass is a real and true sacrifice because otherwise they would not be Catholic!
Mass is not re-sacrificing Christ. Do you read your bible? 1 Peter 3:18; Christ died for our sins once for all. So of course Catholics don’t do anything unbiblical.
The Mass does not repeat or add to the Sacrifice of the Cross, even though protestants try to give to Catholics perverse and distorted explanations of their own perfectly biblical doctrines.
The Mass is a time machine - it returns us in time to the ONE sacrifice on calvary.
Non Catholics and anti Catholics have no authority to explain Catholic doctrine because they have no idea.
Bkmk
Catholics accept by faith what Jesus Christ Himself said, Protestants don't.
If someone wants to argue until they're blue in the face that Jesus Christ was incapable of clearly stating what He wanted us to know, knock yourself out.
have a nice day
>The reason is that most Catholics are not aware that the Church teaches that the Mass is an actual sacrifice.<
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That’s a pretty bold statement to make.
How many Catholics were included in your survey?
Once they DO start thinking; things tend to happen!
Seems to me the RCC enjoys crucifying Christ over and over and over again (daily).
There’s an empty cross for a reason past his Passover sacrifice for us.
Good article to keep on hand. Thanks.
First two sentences of the article are absolutely false. No need to wade into this anti-Christian muck.