Posted on 02/08/2015 12:34:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
Those "incantations" you mock are the exact words Jesus said as he held the bread and the chalice in his hands: This is my body...This is the chalice of my blood. When you meet Jesus, I hope you can explain to him why you sneered at HIS OWN WORDS recorded in the gospels, and why you defied his command to eat and drink his body and blood.
Give us a break Arthur. Christ, the Lamb, is now on the throne having already conquered. He is not on the altar continually suffering nor being offered. Those who have been truly called by God see Jesus as the conquering King sitting on the throne next to the Father having finished the sacrifice once for all. When He said "it is finished" He meant it. The pagan belief of continually offering a sacrifice is anathema to God.
I still think it is just a representation of Jesus’ flesh and blood, not literally. Unlike the water turning to wine, Jesus does not turn the wine into blood, or the wafer into flesh. That is cannibalism. I think the reason we are to drink the wine and eat the wafer instead of pouring it onto an altar or a statue of Jesus on the cross, is because we are not to make any images of God. Just my opinion.
As for the example of David and his officers, David had been thirsty and given water. Where does it say he had blood? He was saying if he drank the water, it would be giving credence to the willfully selfish act of putting the life (the life is in the blood) of his beloved men before his own needs. No Godly king would do such a thing, nor a righteous warrior. David was not saying the water they brought from the well was blood. Good grief.
Are you saying (like Bill Clinton) that you don’t know what the meaning of ‘IS’ is?
Jesus said, “This IS my Body.” Similarly “This IS my Blood.”
I believe Jesus’ words and don’t question them at all.
Interesting. What is the “two-fold consecration”? I’m obviously not Catholic. Unlike some, I have no interest in fighting my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ about who is more Christian. I do like learning though, by having civilized conversations. My question about the taste of the bread and wine was an honest question; not trying to knit pick. How do we explain the taste of the wine, if it’s actually transformed into actual blood? I don’t like wine at all, and every time I take communion at my LCMS church I feel like I’m doing a horrible job of not scrunching my face up at the taste of it. I’ve joked with my husband about why Jesus couldn’t have used milk and chocolate chip cookies instead of bread and wine. Not meant to be disrespectful, just mostly poking fun at myself for not liking wine.
Yea I wonder if they have a daily “resurrection”
I want the quote Arthur ...If you take some time i am sure you can find it.. I have read the scripture several time I never saw what you said
LOL, so you believe the bible is God’s word because the bible says so? And the reason you’re not Muslim or Mormon is...what exactly?
Got anything besides circular “reasoning”?
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>> “Jesus said, “This IS my Body.” Similarly “This IS my Blood.”
I believe Jesus’ words and don’t question them at all.” <<
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So then you hold that he drank his own blood, and ate his own body?
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Bingo
>> “Got anything besides circular reasoning?” <<
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Something that no catholic would understand:
A Thousand pages of fulfilled prophecy.
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It seems that you do not understand transubstantiation, do you?
trans = transfer
substantiation = substance
The wine is transferred into the Blood of Christ, but still appears as wine.
The host is transferred into the Body of Christ, but still appears as unleavened bread.
So Jesus drank wine as did the apostles, and Jesus ate the bread as did the apostles.
Hope this helps.
When we receive Communion we believe that we are receiving the transferred substance of Blood and Body under the appearances of wine and bread.
The internal witness of the Holy Spirit says so.
>>And the reason you’re not Muslim or Mormon is...what exactly?<<
Um....it's the Catholic Church that says Catholics serve the same god as Muslims and the Catholic Church that claims beliefs not found in scripture like Mormons. Are you sure you want to go down that road?
I understand it... Alchemy.
LOL..Duncan WORDS MEAN THINGS ...The "last Supper" was not ever a "sacrifice".. It was a passover meal...a memorial..
Rome did not consider it a "sacrifice" Until long after the formation of the NT church
Greg Dues has written Catholic Customs & Traditions, a popular guide (New London: Twenty Third Publications, 2007). On page 166 he states, "Priesthood as we know it in the Catholic church was unheard of during the first generation of Christianity, because at that time priesthood was still associated with animal sacrifices in both the Jewish and pagan religions." "A clearly defined local leadership in the form of elders, or presbyteroi, became still more important when the original apostles and disciples of Jesus died. The chief elder in each community was often called the episkopos (Greek, 'overseer'). In English this came to be translated as 'bishop' (Latin, episcopus). Ordinarily he presided over the community's Eucharistic assembly." "When the Eucharist came to be regarded as a sacrifice, the role of the bishop took on a priestly dimension. By the third century bishops were considered priests. Presbyters or elders sometimes substituted for the bishop at the Eucharist. By the end of the third century people all over were using the title 'priest' (hierus in Greek and sacerdos in Latin) for whoever presided at the Eucharist."
Why do you believe Jesus sinned by eating blood?
Revelation shows Jesus on the throne as a conquering King not on an altar.
So you’re your own pope. Because you know you’re totally reliable on stuff like this.
Not from what I can see. God said "do not eat the blood". Eating blood would have been a sin especially for Jesus and the apostles as they were still under the old law.
1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
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