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Is the Mass the Real Sacrifice of Christ?
In Plain Site ^ | Febuary 7 ,2015 | James G. McCarthy

Posted on 02/08/2015 12:34:39 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: verga
No, there is no back at me.

You are on your own, and truly own it now.

181 posted on 02/09/2015 2:45:50 AM PST by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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To: Romulus
“Why then does the Church seek to continually re-present Christ in His victimhood to the Father?” Because he told us to. Thanks for asking.

He told us to eat and drink (share life-sustainment" in remembrance of Him and His sacrifice. His sacrifice was intended so no others needed to be rendered - obviously it just wasn't good enough..........

182 posted on 02/09/2015 4:26:26 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Romulus
>>Paul never said to do that. Must be something wrong with your bible.<<

Paul never said to do what? Search the scripture? Or consider someone accursed for teaching a different gospel?

183 posted on 02/09/2015 4:36:23 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Lil Flower

The old adage about wrestling with pigs does come to mind.


184 posted on 02/09/2015 5:03:00 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BlueDragon
No, there is no back at me.

Typical liberal reaction, starting a fight you can't hope to win and then leave the conservatives to bail you out

I notice that none of your cohorts came out of the woodwork to express objection the multiple times which you have used that, since.

And none of yours called you on it for using it the first time.

And Catholics are the non-christians /SARC

What's holding them back?

Ask them yourself, perhaps they feel it is warranted for the people I have used it on.

Two sets of rules?Thank you for agreeing with me.

Meanwhile, previous to your own reaction to CB's mention of voodoo, he was "bringing something to the discussion" regardless of whether or not yourself, or anyone else (including myself) entirely agreed with him, or not.

Which would serve to show that CB had been operating under the conditional requirements of the "or else shut up", leaving your own usage of the "or else" to be superfluous.

Agree to disagree.

185 posted on 02/09/2015 5:10:06 AM PST by verga (I might as well be playing Chess with a pigeon.)
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To: huldah1776

Also, at that point the apostles would not have been asked to break God’s law.


186 posted on 02/09/2015 5:22:36 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Rashputin
If someone wants to argue until they're blue in the face that Jesus Christ was incapable of clearly stating what He wanted us to know, knock yourself out.

Do you REALLY stand by this statement of yours? If so, then what do you do with Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in Heaven."

Or do you only stand on your statement with one foot for one religious practices of works, but not the other? Which one does Jesus REALLY want us to know, or was He just kidding in one case but not the other? On one hand you use it to give yourself reason to practice one thing, but on the other hand, you totally reject it. And interestingly, you need the latter to make sure the former is correct.

I really am interested in how you reconcile your statement so I can understand your line of reasoning.

187 posted on 02/09/2015 5:33:37 AM PST by lupie
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To: verga

That would funny (for being so backwards) if it were not so pathetic.

You really don't realize that you have been shooting holes in the tops of your own shoes?

188 posted on 02/09/2015 5:42:16 AM PST by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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To: BlueDragon

And you are whistling past the graveyard.


189 posted on 02/09/2015 5:43:53 AM PST by verga (I might as well be playing Chess with a pigeon.)
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To: verga
How so?

Do you have a plan?

Malice aforethought?

Look what you said to the guy here;

while also generally (and often) whining about there being two sets of rules?

Do you ride a short bus when you go to school? Or perhaps better -- can you not hear yourself talk?

Previously, you had said;

Think about what that means.

If such a thing justifies yourself, on this thread, then I should get some sort of award, or even a medal.

190 posted on 02/09/2015 5:56:17 AM PST by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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To: Arthur McGowan
>>Did the Lamb escape your notice?<<

Oh no Arthur.

Revelation 5:5 Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals." 6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders.

John tells us in the first chapter of Revelation.

Revelation 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Take Him down off that cross Arthur. Stop with the sacrifices already. Celebrate the one who conquered death and hell who now reigns on high. The Lion of Judah who "has triumphed. The King of Kings! Jesus told John to "“Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. John saw no "re-offering" or constant submission of Christ's body and blood. That had already been done and at that time Jesus "was alive for ever and ever"!

We aren't told to offer a sacrifice of blood. We are told to offer the sacrifice of praise.

Hebrews 13:15 Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise--the fruit of lips that openly profess his name.

No need to sacrifice daily.

Hebrews 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.

Catholic priests are the weak ones.

Hebrews 7:28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

Join us who celebrate a risen conquering King and have our High Priest who sits "at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,"

Hebrews 8:1 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,

Catholics need to leave those weak priests who offer blood sacrifices daily. Stop with those daily sacrifices and give the sacrifice of praise. No more blood sacrifices but living sacrifices which are pleasing to God.

Romans 12:1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God--this is your true and proper worship.

191 posted on 02/09/2015 6:04:39 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: BlueDragon

I have no idea what you are whining about, feel free to have the last word which I will feel free to ignore.


192 posted on 02/09/2015 6:09:44 AM PST by verga (I might as well be playing Chess with a pigeon.)
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To: CynicalBear

Show me (except that you can’t).


193 posted on 02/09/2015 7:28:25 AM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

If the apostles didn't teach it.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Even what the apostles taught should be checked with scripture. How much more the Catholic Church?

194 posted on 02/09/2015 8:19:54 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom; CynicalBear; boatbums; RnMomof7
Knowing how much prots claim to love the Bible and how much you all hate bearing false witness I wanted to make sure that you had seen this post #55

Also in John 6 He said that the flesh profits nothing and the Spirit gives life and the words He spoke were spirit and life. And Paul clarifies that quite nicely in Galatians. (Pay attention this time I am getting tired of having to repeat myself.)

Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would.

Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties, Gal 5:21 envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Gal 5:23 meekness, self-control; against such there is no law.

Gal 5:24 And they that are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with the passions and the lusts thereof.

I hate to see prots repeating the same mistake over and over again, I hope that this clarifies things for you all so you don't have to bear false witness.

195 posted on 02/09/2015 8:20:10 AM PST by verga (I might as well be playing Chess with a pigeon.)
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To: verga
It is not cake, it is unleavened bread until the consecration at which point it becomes the body, blood, soul and divinity or our Lord Jesus Christ.

Asking this question again because you failed to answer it on another thread. Please show me in the Bible where it states that the Eucharist becomes the soul and divinity of Jesus.

196 posted on 02/09/2015 8:47:35 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: verga; metmom; boatbums; RnMomof7
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

idolatry - calling a cracker Christ and worshipping the image. Making statues of so called saints and Mary and bowing down to them.

Sorcery = Transubstantiation.

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Necromancy - the practice of talking to the spirits of dead people.

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.

197 posted on 02/09/2015 8:59:08 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: verga; .45 Long Colt
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P41.HTM

1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner."188

Deuteronomy 12:16 Only you shall not eat the blood ; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.

When Christ died, His blood was poured out as required by the law.

Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Since without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins, a bloodless sacrifice is a useless one. It is an incomplete one and cannot atone for sin.

Jesus commanded His disciples to drink the cup. Catholics claim that doing so is partaking of the literal body and blood of Himself. However, if the mass is an unbloody sacrifice, where does the blood for the cup come from?

Which body of Christ is the priest sacrificing in the mass?

The old one that walked this earth?

Or the new resurrected and glorified one?

"They [Catholics] say it’s a propitiatory sacrifice, but the Bible says without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. So not only is it unnecessary to sacrifice Christ again and again, but an unbloody sacrifice is worthless to make atonement for sin. An unbloody sacrifice is no sacrifice at all!" (By .45 Long Colt)

198 posted on 02/09/2015 8:59:17 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I did answer, perhaps you didn’t like the answer, but I did answer it. Please pay attention, The Bible is not now nor has it ever been the be all end all of revelation. That being said When Jesus says, this is My Body and Jesus is Divine, It must logically include both His Soul and Divinity.


199 posted on 02/09/2015 9:14:39 AM PST by verga (I might as well be playing Chess with a pigeon.)
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To: CynicalBear
Stop putting Him back on your altar will ya!!

Well...they've never taken him off the cross! They use the crucifix, keeping Jesus perpetually on the cross rather than celebrating His resurrection.

200 posted on 02/09/2015 9:18:32 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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