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To: CynicalBear
LOL I saw your lame attempt at twisting the words of that passage. I doubt anyone with reading comprehension bought your tripe.

Setting the record straight, because the truth is important, and your comment is false.

Your post in 161, bold for emphasis on the blatantly false portion: "Paul said anyone who teaches something pertaining to the gospel that they didn’t to consider them accursed. He also said to “search the scriptures daily to see if what they teach is true”. If you can’t prove that some “oral tradition” was taught by the apostles but still teach it I will consider you accursed as Paul said to. What “oral tradition” do you keep that is not found in scripture but that you can prove the apostles taught?"

First, Paul to whom the pronoun in the sentence refers, neither wrote nor said (unless your anonymous faith community has a secret tradition) “search the scriptures daily to see if what they teach is true”. Any student of the scriptures should know there are two passages (which I will cover) that resemble your claim after some fashion, though neither is from Paul, and neither say what you teach they say.

In the first referenced scripture below it should be obvious from the text that Jesus the Messiah is challenging Jews who do not believe he is Messiah to search the scriptures which testify of him, not to prove whether what he says is true or false. He is truth ! No amount of Bible study is required to validate what he said. He said it. It is true.

As to the second passage, Luke, not Paul, is contrasting two Jewish synagogue communities, neither already believers. The one at Thessaloniki stirred up violence against Paul and Silas when he taught that Jesus is Messiah, suffered, and rose from the dead. Some Jews at Thessaloniki believed, and many Greeks, yet a baser sort stirred up the mob out of envy that the Greeks believed when they themselves did not, so that Paul and Silas were taken to relative safety in Berea where the unbelieving Jews received them with more nobility and grace than those at Thessaloniki. Paul preached the same truth in Berea. Unbelieving Jews searching the scriptures did not validate his truth. The Spirit of God validated it. Paul was a chosen vessel and woe to him if he preached not the Gospel.

Yet because the Jews at Berea received the apostolic teaching from Paul with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily to see if what he said was found there, they were more noble and many believed. They did not validate Paul's Gospel. They helped themselves to believe Jesus is the Messiah who suffered for our sins and rose from the dead. They were not some iconoclastic community with veto power over which doctrines were true or false. The holy catholic apostolic church came to them in the persons of Paul and Silas who taught them the true doctrine. All they, or we, had to do was believe them.

By way of comparison, the Jews of Thessaloniki and Berea might be compared with different factions of Jews in the Sanhedrin. Consider Gamaliel who spoke up on behalf of Peter and John, that the Council leave them alone and not be found to fight against God. He was certainly more noble, and searched the scriptures. We shall see if it availed him.


286 posted on 02/10/2015 7:16:27 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Acts 17:11 directly from the Greek text.

Acts 17:11 received the word with all readiness on the every day examining the scriptures if were these things so many indeed therefore out from them believed and of the Grecian women prominent and men not a few.

>>As to the second passage, Luke, not Paul<<

Ok, so let's attribute the statement to Luke. No less true.

>>They were not some iconoclastic community with veto power over which doctrines were true or false.<<

Dude!!! They were searching the scripture to see if what Paul preached was true. Not whether the gospel was true.

Take your "did God really say" diatribe somewhere else.

287 posted on 02/10/2015 7:46:36 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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