Posted on 02/11/2015 3:05:42 PM PST by Graybeard58
Two problems.
First is that by the 6th day of creation, time has slowed down considerably.
But beyond that, from Adam’s perspective, time was flowing no differently that it would seem to us.
To the people traveling at or near the speed of light, time seems to be passing normally for them as it does for us, while we would seem to be moving at super high speed. From our perspective, they would be moving exceedingly slow.
But within each framework, time would seem to be passing normally.
So six days from God’s perspective would be and seem like six days. It’s from OUR perspective that great amounts of time have passed.
If you somehow think I denied it, you are far a field friend.
I live and breath and am saved by the Good News of Jesus Christ, my Lord and savior. I'm very sorry if I posted anything in any way that would make you think otherwise
May God bless you richly as He has me.
dear imar,
Your rhetoric resonates well within the walls of the old Aofg building.
Your use of language, particular to those who sit beside you on the pews, does NOT compute, with all of those on the sidelines, because it would bring from memory, all those ‘humahumanukkahumahumaahum’ TV preachers, and their minds will just click to the ‘off’ position.
Also. you might not know, they recently aired on a cable channel, ‘The Wind and the Lion’, a movie where a guy claimed to be ‘the defender of the faithful .... mohammedans. ‘Defender of the faithful’ means you are going to beat the crap out of someone who says you are full of it. Change that term, and you might do something.
Billy Graham never hit anybody over the head with their weighty Collegiate New International Version, with their name embossed on it, and all the pages still shiny 5 years after purchase, and all those stick-on tabs still new.
I remember a sign, placed above the exits of the sanctuary, “Your mission field begins here.” You can’t make folks envious, when you’re preaching. You have to go through, ‘Show and tell’.
Couldn’t God have created in six days a fully mature universe that appeared to be billions of years old? Before you answer that, consider this question: Was Adam created as an infant or a fully grown man?
Now that you’ve got that out, do you feel better?
I don’t have any problem with “perspective time measurement” explanations here. From a sufficiently swiftly moving perspective, you can fit billions of stationary years into a “24 hour day” of the moving entity.
It’s trying to apply it to the static situation that creates problems. Perhaps the “scientific” answer will remain so buried in mystery that we won’t know this side of glory. Metaphysics was not necessarily the same and that also knocks the footing out from under any attempt to do science. The bible perspective elsewhere seems to be for God to allow more time when something needs it, rather than for God to impart “bat out of hell” speeds to human activities.
Seems simple to me. WHY would any one beleve it is 6 days and WHY would anyone NOT beleve it is 6 days?
To answer the first question, Because God says so. To answer the second question: Beats the hell out of me.
imardmd1 wrote:
“Now that you’ve got that out, do you feel better?”
I ‘feel’ exactly the same as I did when I wrote that.
Was I, according to your touchy-feely gauge, supposed to be having a sense of ease, once i finished writing what I did?
Do you actually think that i ‘need’ a fit of insanity and idiocy to write anything?
You have much to learn, grasshopper.
And what is that, if related to this topic?
Today, the English world calls today after a false goddess Friya.
Yesterday was ‘Thor’s day’.
Our Heavenly Father placed a calendar in His sky. He numbered days and months..
His template is found in Ezekiel 46 and actually confirmed throughout
scripture, including Creation.
New moon day
Six work days
Seventh day Sabbath
Those are what He taught His people..
All this talk of days length at creation misses the point that His calendar has been replaced..
Lots of people will call tomorrow valentine’s day..
Or Saturn’s day.
On His calendar, it will be His 2nd Day of the week (one of His Work dys), the 24th day of His month.
The world paying homage and honor to created things or false gods instead of worshipping Him who made heaven, earth the seas and all that is in Him..
Out of ignorance and conformity to this world..
Prophetic... scriptures say the enemy would think to change ‘times’..
Are the ten commandments poetry ... or should we take them literally?
Whenever someone invents a new view, I always ask what theological problem or textual issue are they trying to solve with the new view.
If Gen. 1 is only poetry, so are the Ten Commandments.
“Are the ten commandments poetry ... or should we take them literally?”
I think the Ten Commandments are poetic and of course are to be taken literally.
I am not sure why you need to put that as an either/or.
I also don’t know why you think this addresses the question of the extra-Biblical Young Earth doctrine.
I once saw a religious program hosted by a rabbi who was also a physicist and the way he explained the six days from an expansion of time stand point made complete sense.
We are in agreement ... so lets look at what the text of Exodus 20 actually says ... (NASB text)
1 Then God spoke all these words, saying,
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5 "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
13 "You shall not murder.
14 "You shall not commit adultery.
15 "You shall not steal.
16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."
See the issue? Clearly the Ten Commandments, from a purely textual standpoint, offers the reader no choice but to take them literally ... and since that little statement about in "six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth" is in the middle of these commandments ... if you are going to be hermeneutically consistent (and that's a choice) then you have to take the six days literally as well.
The issue also comes into focus later in Exodus 31 ...
15 'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.
16 'So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.'
17 "It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed."
Now you have the Sabbath clearly explained in the context of a normal work week ... and that in the context of the six days of creation.
I am not sure why you need to put that as an either/or.
Hopefully you see now why it IS an either/or.
I also don’t know why you think this addresses the question of the extra-Biblical Young Earth doctrine.
It is the NON young earth doctrine that is extra-Biblical ... for there is no underlying textual issue that forces us to conclude Genesis 1 is not to be taken literally, as I have argued from the above Exodus passages.
It is the desire to harmonize with science that prompts people to reject the literal view.
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