Posted on 02/20/2015 3:22:59 PM PST by NKP_Vet
Did Pastor Billy Bob tell you to say that? Come on now, tell us the truth.
“And taking credit for what God did is not wise to say the least”
God used the church he founded, the Catholic Church, to give the world the Bible. Deal with it. It’s fact, no matter how much you deny it.
Excellent
God used Judas also so what’s your point?
But it was an “open canon” which allowed them to add the books they did.. an “open canon is in reality no canon
The people had gathered because three young shepherd children had predicted that at high noon the lady who had appeared to them several times would perform a great miracle in a field near Fátima called Cova da Iria. According to many witnesses, after a period of rain, the dark clouds broke and "the sun" appeared as an opaque, spinning disc in the sky.[4] It was said to be significantly duller than normal, and to cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds. The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern,[4] frightening those who thought it a sign of the end of the world.[5] Witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became "suddenly and completely dry, as well as the wet and muddy ground that had been previously soaked because of the rain that had been falling".[6]
Estimates of the number of people present range from between 30,000 to 40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O Século,[7] to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra,[8] both of whom were present on that day.[9]
The event was attributed by believers to Our Lady of Fátima, a reported apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to the children who had made predictions of the event on 13 July 1917,[10] 19 August,[11] and 13 September.[12] The children stated that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them[13] and provide a miracle "so that all may believe."[14]
The second temple. The first temple did not exist when Daniel received the prophesy. That is why the prophecy was assumed to indicate Rome by protestants, since Roman legions destroyed the second temple.I am pointing out that the prophecy may be more specific...From Daniel 9:26:"...And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary." The people that fulfilled that prophecy consisted of the eastern legions. More specifically, the 10th legion destroyed the temple. The 10th legion was made up of Syrians and Turks.
Thank you. Everything you wrote is true. They need prayers.
And thank you for serving our nation.
A human intellect is a terrible thing to see putrefy.
You didn't prove anything...You figure millions upon millions of Protestants are just not intellectual enough to realize what you do is not praying to idols???
I think it's more like you Catholic religious types have duped so many people into thinking your supposed super powers are legitimate...So when you say it ain't worship, it ain't worship...
I don't see how you can call this a legitimate answer to the questions I asked you...
You are avoiding the issue...Why even bother to respond if you are unwilling to respond to the issue...
You are so barking up the wrong tree. I’m not catholic and agree with you on the Mary thing although when I try to reason with people I try to keep venom out of it
Yes some scripture is metaphoric but not all. I can agree to disagree on communion which is not a salvation issue by the way. I don’t limit what God can do and am happy to “go there” any time people can stay civil.
You might want to do something about that chip on your shoulder. I know religion threads get rough but let’s not turn people off to truth
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
You don't get it...You just ain't got enough intellectuals...
Except those in Heaven cannot hear us on earth. If they could there would be a lot of anguish and tears.
In that case the RC charge that there was no canon until Rome provided it would be true, though under that definition of canon that would mean that for most of her claimed history then she had none.
Moreover, it is actually a discussed but unsettled matter among RCs (http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=654381; http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=677608) as to whether Trent actually closed the canon, versus settling that the listed books are Scripture, but not saying other books are not. The Eastern Orthodox Churches were using a larger canon before Trent (including the Prayer of Manasseh) but Trent did not condemn such usage. And as the above forums state the RC apologist Gary Michuta reports that the Council took up the issue as to whether certain books (the Book of Esdras, Fourth Ezra, and Third Maccabees) that were included in [some of] the Latin Vulgates should be rejected by a Conciliar decree, or be passed over in silence. He reports that only three Fathers voted for an explicit rejection, while forty-two voted that the status of these books should be passed over in silence.
But the word "canon" does not necessarily mean a complete list of books, but can refer to "a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works," (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/canon) as a canon of great literature.
And which certainly existed in the time of Christ, otherwise He could not have challenged the Jews to "search the Scriptures," as that presuposes a body of accepted writings being Scripture, and the Lord preached from to the disciples,
"which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. (Luke 24:44) and likewise which Paul "expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening." (Acts 28:23) And for Paul at least, the Law could include Psalms and Proverbs and prophets.
I think you'll find that some of our FR Catholics will disagree.
If you say so.
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