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Faith Alone v. Forgiving Trespasses: How the Lord's Prayer Contradicts the Reformation
Catholic Defense ^ | February 25, 2015

Posted on 02/25/2015 11:50:17 AM PST by NYer

Lines from the Lord's Prayer, in various languages.
From the Eucharist Door at the Glory Facade of the Sagrada Família in Barcelona, Spain.

It's Lent in Rome. That means it's time for one of the great Roman traditions: station churches. Each morning, English-speaking pilgrims walk to a different church for Mass. This morning, on the way to St. Anastasia's, I was once again struck by a line in the Our Father: “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” That's a hard thing to pray, It doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room. Even the Catechism seems shocked by it:

This petition is astonishing. If it consisted only of the first phrase, "And forgive us our trespasses," it might have been included, implicitly, in the first three petitions of the Lord's Prayer, since Christ's sacrifice is "that sins may be forgiven." But, according to the second phrase, our petition will not be heard unless we have first met a strict requirement. Our petition looks to the future, but our response must come first, for the two parts are joined by the single word "as."
Upon arriving at Mass, I discovered that the Gospel for the day was Matthew 6:7-15, in which Christ introduces this prayer. That seemed too serendipitous to simply be a coincidence. Then Archbishop Di Noia, O.P., got up to preach the homily, and it was all about how to understand this particular petition. So here goes: I think that the Lord's Prayer is flatly inconsistent with sola fide, the Protestant doctrine of justification by faith alone. Here's why.

In this line of the Lord's Prayer, Jesus seems to be explicitly conditioning our forgiveness on our forgiving. Indeed, it's hard to read “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” any other way. What's more, after introducing the prayer, Jesus focuses on this line, in particular. Here's how He explains it (Matthew 6:14-15):
For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
So to be forgiven, you must forgive. If you do, you'll be forgiven. If you don't, you won't be. It's as simple as that.

So Christ has now told us three times that our being forgiven is conditioned upon our forgiving, using the most explicit of language. How does Luther respond to this? “God forgives freely and without condition, out of pure grace.” And what is Calvin's response? “The forgiveness, which we ask that God would give us, does not depend on the forgiveness which we grant to others.”

Their theology forces them to deny Christ's plain words, since admitting them would concede that we need something more than faith alone: we also need to forgive our neighbors. They've painted themselves into a corner, theologically. To get out of it, they change this part of the Our Father into either a way that we can know that we're saved (Luther's approach: that God “set this up for our confirmation and assurance for a sign alongside of the promise which accords with this prayer”) or a non-binding moral exhortation (Calvin's: “to remind us of the feelings which we ought to cherish towards brethren, when we desire to be reconciled to God”).

Modern Protestants tend to do the same thing with these verses, and countless other passages in which Christ or the New Testament authors teach us about something besides faith that's necessary for salvation. We see this particularly in regards to the Biblical teaching on the saving role of Baptism (Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21) and works (Matthew 25:31-46; Romans 2:6-8; James 2). There are three common tactics employed:

  1. Reverse the causality. If a passage says that you must do X in order to be saved, claim that it really means that if you're saved, you'll just naturally do X. Thus, X is important for showing that you're saved, but it doesn't actually do anything, and certainly isn't necessary for salvation (even if the Bible says otherwise: Mark 16:16).
  2. No True Scotsman. If Scripture says that someone believed and then lost their salvation (like Simon the Magician in Acts 8, or the heretics mentioned in 2 Peter 2), say that they must not have ever actually believed (even if the Bible says the opposite: Acts 8:13, 2 Peter 2:1, 20-22).
  3. Spiritualize the passage into oblivion. If the Bible says that Baptism is necessary for salvation, argue that this is just a “spiritual” Baptism that means nothing more than believing. And if you need to get around the need to be “born of water and the Spirit” (John 3:5) spiritualize this, too, to get rid of the need for water. Reduce everything to a symbol, or a metaphor for faith.

In fairness to both the Reformers and to modern Protestants, they want to avoid any notion that we can earn God's forgiveness or our salvation. This doesn't justify denying or distorting Christ's words, but it's a holy impulse. And in fact, it was the theme of Abp. Di Noia's homily this morning. Grace is a gift, and what's more, grace is what enables us to forgive others. This point is key, because it explains why Christ isn't teaching something like Pelagianism.

God freely pours out His graces upon us, which bring about both (a) our forgiveness, and (b) our ability to forgive others. But we can choose to accept that grace and act upon it, or to reject it. And that decision has eternal consequences. Such an understanding is harmonious with Christ's actual words, while avoiding any idea that we possess the power to earn our salvation.

So both Catholics and Protestants reject Pelagianism, but there's a critical difference. Catholics believe that grace enables us to do good works, whereas Protestants tend to believe that grace causes us to do good works. To see why it matters, consider the parable of the unmerciful servant, Matthew 18:21-35. In this parable, we see three things happen:

  1. A debtor is forgiven an enormous debt of ten thousand talents (Mt. 18:25-27). Solely through the grace of the Master (clearly representing God), this man is forgiven his debts (sins). He is in a state of grace.
  2. This debtor refuses to forgive his neighbor of a small debt of 100 denarii (Mt. 18:28-30). The fact that he's been forgiven should enable the debtor to be forgiving: in being forgiven, he's received the equivalent of 60,000,000 denarii, and he's certainly seen a moral model to follow. But he turns away from the model laid out by the Master, and refuses to forgive his neighbor.
  3. This debtor is unforgiven by his Master (Mt. 18:32-35). The kicker comes at the very end: “And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt. So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.”
Now, consider all of the Protestant work-arounds discussed above. To deny that this debtor was ever really forgiven would be an insult to the Master and in contradiction to the text. To say that, if we're forgiven, we'll just naturally forgive is equally a contradiction: this debtor is forgiven, and doesn't. To treat the need to forgive the other debtor as a non-binding moral exhortation would have been a fatal error. 

This parable gets to the heart of the issue. The Master's forgiveness is freely given, and cannot be earned. But that doesn't mean it's given unconditionally or irrevocably. Quite the contrary: Christ shows us in this parable that it can be repealed, and tells us why: if we refuse to forgive, we will not be forgiven. It turns out, the Lord's Prayer actually means what it says.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: bumpusadsummum; calvin; catholic; faithalone; forgiveness; forgivingtrespasses; luther; ourfather; paternoster; prayer; solafide; thelordsprayer; theourfather
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To: rwa265
Regarding your mention of the term Limbo. It was a speculative idea that has fallen out of use. It has never been official doctrine.

It sure terrified enough parents into getting their babies baptized ASAP.

241 posted on 02/26/2015 12:15:12 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: genesismt; CynicalBear

Welcome to FR.


242 posted on 02/26/2015 12:18:23 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: stonehouse01

Snippets of Luther taken out of context are no more valid than snippets of anything taken out of context.

I don’t believe them for one minute.


243 posted on 02/26/2015 12:20:31 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

It sure terrified enough parents into getting their babies baptized ASAP.


This is true. My brother was baptized twice. He was born on All Saints Day (November 1) and died two days later. Our family has always thought of him as our little saint in heaven.


244 posted on 02/26/2015 12:34:41 PM PST by rwa265
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To: rwa265
What are His commandments?

What are ROME's commandments?

245 posted on 02/26/2015 12:36:39 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Arthur McGowan
It’s not a solemnly defined dogma.

It is a teaching of the Ordinary Magisterium.

As such, every Catholic is required to assent to it.

Oh...

246 posted on 02/26/2015 12:38:05 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Arthur McGowan
There is therefore no rational basis for holding that if Christians IN HEAVEN offer prayers, intercession, etc., that they are usurping the functions of Christ or the Holy Spirit.

Assumiong facts not in evidence.

247 posted on 02/26/2015 12:39:07 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Arthur McGowan
All baptized people would go to 1) Hell; 2) Heaven; 3) Purgatory, followed by Heaven.

And just where would the Unbaptized go?

248 posted on 02/26/2015 12:40:10 PM PST by Elsie
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To: ealgeone
That's the point....there is a movement to have the pope use his "ex cathedra" to make this an officially approved dogma of the rcc.

Huh?

The UNCHANGABLE Catholic Church?

249 posted on 02/26/2015 12:41:01 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Salvation
Do you say it?

#168

250 posted on 02/26/2015 12:42:18 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Arthur McGowan
You believe that the Hebrew or Jewish belief at any given moment in the many centuries before Christ was the final, fully-developed truth?

You believe that Catholic teaching was the final, fully-developed truth soon after Christ ascended to Heaven?

How does one then justify the 3 Portuguese children?

251 posted on 02/26/2015 12:44:26 PM PST by Elsie
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To: ealgeone

LOL post #226 was removed because Arthur used “the name that shall not be named.”


253 posted on 02/26/2015 12:55:49 PM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: Elsie
The CAtholic Church does a REALLY loud job of proclaiming DEAD people to be ALIVE!

Elsie, may I call you Bernice, or perhaps Matilda, or better yet...

Regardless,

The Catholic Church does a REALLY loud job of proclaiming people to be ALIVE in Christ!

254 posted on 02/26/2015 1:00:33 PM PST by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: Salvation
The Our Father. Do you say it?

I too prefer the title "Our Father" rather than the "Lord's Prayer". I say it several times a week.

Regarding the Our Father, Luther's small catechism addresses the fifth petition with the following explanation.

And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.

What does this mean?

We pray in this petition that our Father in heaven would not look upon our sins, nor deny such petitions on account of them; for we are worthy of none of the things for which we pray, neither have we deserved them; but that He would grant them all to us by grace; for we daily sin much, and indeed deserve nothing but punishment. So will we verily, on our part, also heartily forgive and also readily do good to those who sin against us.

Before this thread, I've heard people claim that the fifth petition is an example of works righteousness. Claiming that we gain forgiveness only after forgiving others. I thought it was silly idea then, just as I do now.

I would ask, why do we forgive others? So that we can earn forgiveness for ourselves? No! We forgive because we were forgiven first and our forgiveness of others is an outpouring of the new man.

Works righteousness is a stain that perverts everything it touches. It changes our natural response to God into a qualification to earn his grace.

255 posted on 02/26/2015 1:03:20 PM PST by Tao Yin
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To: edwinland

I can assure you that I have read enough of what the Catholic Church teaches to understand that it’s unscriptural paganism and the double speak is astounding. Catholics think that if we “just read” we would somehow capitulate. Their teaching is “another gospel” edwinland. The more I learn the more convinced I am of that. It’s a dangerous perversion of what Christ and the apostles taught.


256 posted on 02/26/2015 1:09:17 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Elsie

What are ROME’s commandments?


Don’t know if Rome has any commandments, but you can find information on Roman law here:

http://www.ask.com/wiki/List_of_Roman_laws?lang=en#Roman_laws


257 posted on 02/26/2015 1:14:23 PM PST by rwa265
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To: CynicalBear
An essential aspect of internal Catholic practice therefore requires that the Catholic give religious submission of mind and will to the authentic Magisterium of the Pope and this even if he is not speaking ex cathedra. An essential component of internal Catholic practice is that the Pope's ordinary teaching at a minimum must be religiously submitted to by both intellect and will.

I hope Francis the first does not log on to FR regarding the above.

258 posted on 02/26/2015 1:24:16 PM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: redleghunter

That whole “obey the pope” deal should set not a few Catholics back on their heals. :-)


259 posted on 02/26/2015 1:27:58 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: edwinland; CynicalBear
The light of God's face shines in all its beauty on the countenance of Jesus Christ, "the image of the invisible God" (Col 1:15), the "reflection of God's glory" (Heb 1:3), "full of grace and truth" (Jn 1:14). Christ is "the way, and the truth, and the life" (Jn 14:6). Consequently the decisive answer to every one of man's questions, his religious and moral questions in particular, is given by Jesus Christ, or rather is Jesus Christ himself, as the Second Vatican Council recalls: "In fact,it is only in the mystery of the Word incarnate that light is shed on the mystery of man. For Adam, the first man, was a figure of the future man, namely, of Christ the Lord. It is Christ, the last Adam, who fully discloses man to himself and unfolds his noble calling by revealing the mystery of the Father and the Father's love".

How does one say the above as JPII did and yet do this:


260 posted on 02/26/2015 1:31:06 PM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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