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Holy Father: Why have you allowed this man to take possession of his Cathedra?
Vox Cantoris ^ | 3/23/2015

Posted on 03/23/2015 4:21:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

Only days after stripping the disgraced pervert Cardinal, Keith O'Brien of his title and power and sending him to retire quietly in a £200,000 cottage, Pope Francis; amidst the outrage of the people of the Diocese of Osorno in Chile has permitted another bishop to take his Cathedra - a man implicated in the scandal of sodomy and perversion and the abuse of three men from the time they were boys. Is this to be considered another "who am I to judge" episode as with Msgr. Ricca appointed to a high position within the Vatican Bank? If so, then the definition of scandal has been forgotten along with a real understanding of mercy for those victimised by the evil and perverted pederasts who performed abominable acts upon young boys of teenaged years.

Victims ignored

Bishop Juan Barros, formerly of the Military Ordinariate in Chile has been made Ordinary of the Diocese of Osorno. Juan Carlos Cruz Chellew, James Hamilton Sánchez and José Andrés Murillo Urrutia said on Crux that they were "accustomed to the blows we have received from the Chilean hierarchy, but never directly from the Holy Father. It is hard to believe that it was the Pope himself who said a few days ago: "families should know that the Church makes great efforts to protect their children, who have a right to address her with confidence, because it is as safe house."

The Pope knew

Since this appointment was announced in January, Chileans have been outraged. Crux further reports that "The Archbishop of Concepción, Fernando Chomalí, met with the Pope a few weeks ago and warned him that the Barros appointment was causing consternation in Chile, not only in the community of Osorno, but throughout the country. Pope Francis admitted to knowing the suffering of the victims of Karadima and the damage to the Chilean church. However — despite everything — the Pope, through the Nuncio in Chile, Ivo Scapolo, reconfirmed Barros without considering the facts and warnings of so many people, including priests and bishops. With pain we see that the faithful will have to accept and deal with Pope Francis’ decision. A pain and fear we know too well."

Yet, Pope Francis still proceeded in spite of the warning. This is a scandal to the people of Osorno; it is a scandal and an insult to the three victims assaulted by a homosexual pederast priest whilst the then Fr. Juan Barros, watched.

The world is watching

Crux has now been reporting on this since it broke last week at the Associated Press. Patheos has picked it up finally and the secular media from the Toronto Star to the BBC to Al Jazeera are running with the story.

The Pope must be accountable for this; not just to Almighty God, but to the smelly sheep in the periphery.

As I stated in an interview with "From Rome" - Let us not, as Catholics, give an exaggerated status to any pope along the lines of what our protestant friends think – an infallibility without respect for the Gospel, which he does not possess. The First Vatican Council defined it very clearly.

All the talk of mercy, thumbs up photographs and the washing of feet and the daily media spin from the manipulators in the Vatican Press Office won't fix this. The Pope himself is responsible for this and there is no spinning out of it.

It is a disgrace to Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Church.

In their dictatorship of mercy and condemnation of the Law and those who try to live by it some appear to have forgotten who is in charge.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: barros; francis; homos
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To: kalee

For later


21 posted on 03/23/2015 5:38:34 PM PDT by kalee
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To: ebb tide
What part of for “better or worse” do you not understand?

All of it............Just curious, does your Catholic church condemn a divorcee who leaves her husband due to his pedophilia?

22 posted on 03/23/2015 5:38:58 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Uncle Sy: "Beavers are like Ninjas, they only come out at night and they're hard to find")
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To: knarf

Sorry, kid. No urine in two days? Cathedra it is.


23 posted on 03/23/2015 5:39:05 PM PDT by golux
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To: ebb tide; babygene
You don’t think murder is a graver sin that a third grader cheating on a math test?

I was told by a "born again" pastor that there was absolutely no difference. This same man told me that if I were hiding Jews in WWII Europe and Nazis came to the door, lying to the Nazis was just as serious a sin as the Nazis killing the Jews.

This is what happens when every individual interprets Scripture for himself.

24 posted on 03/23/2015 5:40:26 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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To: babygene
no comment

I'm not surprised. Fr. Lombardi and Jay Carney have both used that same defense on numerous occasions.

25 posted on 03/23/2015 5:40:40 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

You have access. You’re on the internet.


26 posted on 03/23/2015 5:49:05 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

The Catholic church does not condemn divorce; it condemns remarriage while the original spouse is still alive.


27 posted on 03/23/2015 5:51:14 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide

no problem ... I get confused even when I’m on track ... /8^)


28 posted on 03/23/2015 5:56:49 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: ebb tide

“I’m not surprised. Fr. Lombardi and Jay Carney have both used that same defense on numerous occasions.”

Your an idiot, of course you know that... or at least your parents did.

Why would I need a “defense”?


29 posted on 03/23/2015 6:01:49 PM PDT by babygene
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To: babygene

Anybody who claims he’s a Catholic but can’t answer why he can’t recognize the difference between venial and mortal sins needs a defense. And it’s not a defense against me but his God. I will pray for those “idiots” and the parents who raised them.


30 posted on 03/23/2015 6:12:35 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Breaking ANY of the commandments is a mortal sin.


31 posted on 03/23/2015 7:09:35 PM PDT by babygene
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To: babygene
Breaking ANY of the commandments is a mortal sin.

I thought you were a Catholic, but with the above statement, I was mistaken.

32 posted on 03/23/2015 7:38:29 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

“I thought you were a Catholic, but with the above statement, I was mistaken.”

You are weird. Do you have some funky priest? Apparently you didn’t get the memo.

We were given 10 rules to live by. Only 10... Which ones do you think are not important? Or, do you get to choose? Or do you think Church laws are more important than the commandments?

I’m guessing here, but I have been a Catholic longer than you’ve been alive...


33 posted on 03/23/2015 8:22:41 PM PDT by babygene
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To: ebb tide

“You don’t think murder is a graver sin that a third grader cheating on a math test?”

Did I say anything about murder?


34 posted on 03/23/2015 8:27:16 PM PDT by babygene
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To: Torahman

Repentance is a change of heart from our damned destitute ways to God’s narrow path.

And only God can lead us there by putting His Spirit in us to walk in His statutes:

Ezekiel 36

23 I will set apart my great name to be regarded as holy, since it has been profaned in the nations — you profaned it among them. The nations will know that I am Adonai,’ says Adonai Elohim, ‘when, before their eyes, I am set apart through you to be regarded as holy.

24 For I will take you from among the nations,
gather you from all the countries,
and return you to your own soil.
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you,
and you will be clean;
I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness
and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart
and put a new spirit inside you;
I will take the stony heart out of your flesh
and give you a heart of flesh.
27 I will put my Spirit inside you
and cause you to live by my laws,
respect my rulings and obey them.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=CJB&search=Ezekiel%2036


36 posted on 03/23/2015 8:50:30 PM PDT by redleghunter (In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Gen. 1:1))
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To: ebb tide

Marriage is sacred and divorce is destroying children and our society.

That said, suppose an atheist converts to become a Catholic. He was divorced and remarried with children in both marriages before his conversion.

What is the Catholic recourse for such a man and his second family? Would he and his second wife be refused communion?


37 posted on 03/23/2015 8:56:28 PM PDT by redleghunter (In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Gen. 1:1))
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To: ebb tide
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>> “In their dictatorship of mercy and condemnation of the Law and those who try to live by it some appear to have forgotten who is in charge.” <<

.

Revelation 22:

[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Yes, indeed! - It appears that the "workers of Iniquity" think that they can rewrite God's word, and out-law his laws!

.

38 posted on 03/23/2015 9:02:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Jeff Chandler

That’s quite ridiculous. There are ample examples in scriptures of those lying to evil authority to protect innocent lives.

Smelling a straw man here.


39 posted on 03/23/2015 9:03:09 PM PDT by redleghunter (In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Gen. 1:1))
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To: ebb tide

I think this might be the misunderstanding:

James 2:

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.(KJV)

Sin in fact is sin. Yes the scriptures tell us what God abhors most: injustice to widows and orphans. God also calls certain sins abominations (homosexuality).

The key term in James 2 is transgressor of the law.

Then the concluding key term from James is “judged by the Law of liberty.”


40 posted on 03/23/2015 9:16:20 PM PDT by redleghunter (In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Gen. 1:1))
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