Basilica of the Annunciation, Nazareth, Israel
Posted on 03/25/2015 10:46:15 PM PDT by Steelfish
38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
According to Merriam and Webster;
be
verb \ˈbē\
—used to indicate the identity of a person or thing
—used to describe the qualities of a person or thing
—used to indicate the condition of a person or thing
It is a (pre-existing) state of being and not a "let it be" future tense
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And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
What do you mean will she accept...There was no question posed...There was no offer made...Let's try a little honestty and go from THAT premise...
You elevate Mary to a goddess for supposedly answering a question she was never asked...And then you build a false doctrine on it...
It is Mary above all others who can teach us what it means to live by faith,
Mary didn't live by faith...She can't teach us anything about faith...She lived by sight...
She saw and talked to an angel...She became pregnant without a sexual relationship...There was no faith for Mary to be an example of...
Just blow them off. We could post a thread and it could just say one word Mary! They’d all come running. They know not what they do. JMJ!
Only if she said no and tried to fight off the Holy Spirit...
Nope, no bashers. Perverting the word of God is bashing HIM. Don’t expect Christians to sit back silently without correcting errors.
“God didn’t ask her permission”.
Oh, I see. God gave free will to everyone EXCEPT Mary.
Got it.
In truth, when Christians bash other Christians, you bash God in turn.
Amen, you got that right.
Dis Mary have any say on HER being the one CHOSEN ?
And even if you cite the Bible passage, there will still be bashing. They have nothing better to do. Thank-you for making my day and God Bless.
Stay strong. No need for thanks, but know that I am here if you need an ear.
Only if they had sex.
But if it’s considered rape because God didn’t ask permission, then if God did ask permission, and Mary, being betrothed to Joseph, gave assent to consensual relations with someone other than her husband, than that makes her an adulterous.
No one has free will as no one outside of God is capable of acting as a completely independent agent.
Free will is a false premise, a man made construct that diesn’t exist, along the lines of “If God can do anything........”
“Mary on the cross with Christ, Poland”
She’s not “on the cross”. She’s holding her Son BEFORE the Cross.
“Mary on the cross with Christ, Santa Maria Maggiore, Rome”
Mary’s not on the cross (note she would have to be nailed to it or tied to it for that to be the case). She is merely portrayed with the cross as a stand for her statue.
“This statue depicts Rome’s dogma that Mary is the co-redemptress with Christ and that she intercedes for men from Heaven and aids in their salvation.”
No, it does NOT show that Mary is co-redemptrix.
I realize that many Protestants are simply ignorant about religious art - because they have been raised to hate beauty, but there is no reason to be stupid on top of ignorant.
No less a Protestant authority on art than the Protestant Ralph Adams Cram once wrote:
“From the outbreak of the Protestant revolution, the old kinship between beauty and religion was deprecated and often forgotten. Not only was there, amongst the reformers and their adherents, a definite hatred of beauty and a determination to destroy it when found; there was also a conscientious elimination of everything of the sort from the formularies, services, and structures that applied to their new religion. This unprecedented break between religion and beauty had a good deal to do with that waning interest in religion itself. Protestantism, with its derivative materialistic rationalism, divested religion of its essential elements of mystery and wonder, and worship of its equally essential elements of beauty. Under this powerful combination of destructive influences, it is not to be wondered at that, of the once faithful, many have fallen away. Man is, by instinct, not only a lover of beauty, he is also by nature a ‘ritualist,’ that is to say, he does, when left alone, desire form and ceremony, if significant. If this instinctive craving for ceremonial is denied to man in religion, where it preeminently belongs, he takes it on for himself in secular fields; elaborates ritual in secret societies, in the fashion of his dress, in the details of social custom. He also, in desperation, invents new religions and curious sects working up for them strange rituals . . . extravagant and vulgar devices that are now the sardonic delight of the ungodly. ... If once more beauty can be restored to the offices of religion, many who are now self-excommunicated from their Church will thankfully find their way back to the House they have abandoned. The whole Catholic Faith is shot through and through with this vital and essential quality of beauty. It is this beauty implicit in the Christian revelation and its operative system that was explicit in the material and visible Churches and their art. We must contend against the strongest imaginable combination of prejudices and superstitions. These are of two sorts. There is first, the heritage of ignorance and fear from the dark ages of the sixteenth century. I am speaking of non-Catholic Christianity. Ignorance of authentic history, instigated by protagonists of propaganda; fear of beauty, because all that we now have in Christian art was engendered and formulated by and through Catholicism; fear that the acceptance of beauty means that awful thing—’surrender to superstition.’ It is fear that lies at the root of the matter, as it does in so many other fields of mental activity.” (Radio Replies, vol. 2: 1052)
“No one has free will...”
We all have free will. If we don’t have free will, then we can’t be held responsible for our sins. No one is guilty for something he didn’t choose to do.
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