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To: Mrs. Don-o

**So many people have been answered by Mary that it would break down this server to list them all. People who are utterly *uninterested* in historic evidence on the six inhabited continents, over many centuries and cultures, and given to many people in the form of healing of body and soul, return to Christ, new fervor for His work, the renewal of families, the blessing of a happy death -— obtained from God through the intercession of Mary and the Saints-— will remain closed off from much truth and many blessings. There’s no need to keep your fingers in your ears or your hands over your eyes.**

You would do well to understand that no one,....absolutely...no...one,...knows the depths and riches of God. They are unsearchable. Among those riches is his is abundant mercy. He performs miracles even for the atheists.

He is omnipresent. And you think that while he is present, he needs an omnipresent Mary to show more mercy, and to convince him to act???

Another RC wrote this. (I’ve replied to him, but he has not replied back.) Perhaps you can answer it.

**The wedding of Cana has always been thought of as an example and foreshadowing of Mary’s intercession. http://home.earthlink.net/~mysticalrose/marian11.html**

Intercession?....do you really think that Christ (who had seen Nathanael under the fig tree, before physically seeing him) strolled into Cana not knowing what was waiting for him, and how he would handle it??

Further, not only was there not wine for the wedding party, there was no wine for Mary, Jesus’ brethern, or he and his disciples. Mary wasn’t going to have any wine, along with everybody else. That’s not exactly intercessing; it’s more like making “your requests be made known to God”. (Phil. 4:6)

Jesus taught often on prayer, such as the examples of asking a friend at midnight for loaves of bread (Lk. 11:5-8), and the widow petitioning the unjust judge (Luke 18:1-8).

Yet, you RCs say that the Cana miracle is proof of Mary intercessing then and into the afterlife, when Jesus teaches us to ask God. And yes, James taught prayer, ‘one for another’ (5:14-18) to those believers still alive and living for God. He wasn’t writing to those that had already died in Christ.

You folks attribute a power to Mary that is only found in God: omnipresence.

How can someone be omnipresent, and not be omniscient as well? If you could be omnipresent, you would know everyone’s life story, from the time you became omnipresent and forward. You would know all the facts of any circumstance, because you would have been there while it all unfolded. You would even know from those facts if that someone was asking sincerely or not, because you would know what’s in their heart. Only God knows the heart.


568 posted on 03/29/2015 9:16:45 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel
You minimize God's power and intent to respond to intercession in order to accomplish His will. None of this intercession takes away from God's omniscience, omnipresence, or omnipotent power, but it DOES illustrate His inconceivable generosity in involving us --- weak creatures --- in the great works of healing, restoration, salvation.

Your whole response shows the implicit assumption that there's a tension, or even a contradiction, between having huge interactive networks of intercession, encompassing those in heaven and on earth, and God's absolute sovereignty.

If it were not God's will to involve us in His great work, most of the OT and NT would be irrelevant. The reality of the Mystical Body of Christ --- that we are the cells, tissues, organs and systems, the senses and limbs incorporated into Christ, and by which Christ works even now --- would be redundant or meaningless.

God does not intend His story to be the story of "I only." If it were, He would have never bothered with the vast generosity of Creation and the inconceivable humility of making Covenant with us. God with us. Emmanuel. What a great God this is.

570 posted on 03/29/2015 9:49:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The eye can't say to the hand, I don't need you. - The head can't say to the feet, I don't need you.)
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