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To: Legatus

“I mean CCC 841 will be repudiated”

No.


757 posted on 04/03/2015 8:45:02 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; HossB86; CynicalBear
No.

Why, because that means Lumen Gentium and Nostra Aetate will have to go out the window too? Just so everyone else gets a chance to understand how unambiguous the VatII position on islam is let's take a look at NA3:

3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.

That "(5)" in NA references one line of a letter of Pope St. Gregory VII (1073 - 1085) to Anazir, king of the province of Mauretania wherein the sainted Pope writes This affection we and you owe to each other in a more peculiar way than to people of other races because we worship and confess the same God though in diverse forms and daily praise and adore him as the creator and ruler of this world. Which sounds like VatII until one realizes that this same sainted pope called muslims a pagan race when calling a crusade in 1074. So which has more weight, diplomatic correspondence or:

Gregory, bishop, servant of the servants of God, to all who are willing to defend the Christian faith, greeting and apostolic benediction.

We hereby inform you that the bearer of this letter, on his recent return from across the sea, came to Rome to visit us. He repeated what we had heard from many others, that a pagan race had overcome the Christians and with horrible cruelty had devastated everything almost to the walls of Constantinople, and were now governing the conquered lands with tyrannical violence, and that they had slain many thousands of Christians as if they were but sheep.

The Church doesn't build doctrine based on the diplomatic correspondence of a pope, sainted or not. For that matter Walter Cardinal Brandmüller has said VatII's declarations on non-Christian religions and religious freedom do not contain “binding doctrinal content” and CCC841 is based on exactly that... nonbinding content. If it is nonbinding it can be debated, if it can be debated it can be refuted and if refuted, repudiated.

How many more years do we have until that same pagan race is slaughtering Christians in the streets of New York (assuming they can find any)? THIS is what keeps me from sleeping at night, the very idea that the Catholic Church would proclaim that the Almighty God and Father of Jesus Christ is one and the same as the pagan moon god of islam. No, no, it cannot be, CCC841 and the documents supporting it must be thrown on the trash heap of history before we find ourselves dragged out into the streets and beheaded in front of our children.

There must be a new crusade, that unites all who call on the Holy Name of Jesus, to rid this world of the worship of the very devil himself before it's too late. I will not have my three daughters raped and my two sons impaled in the name of the Second Vatican Council's Decrees on religious liberty and inter-religious dialogue with pagans. No, there's your "No".

759 posted on 04/04/2015 2:31:02 AM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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