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1 posted on 04/01/2015 10:22:59 AM PDT by amessenger4god
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N00bie kid if the author doesn’t think we are already living in tribulation in this country, and the world at large, when does he think it will start ???


2 posted on 04/01/2015 10:27:02 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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See the website of the “Pre-Trib Research Group” headed by Dr. Thomas Ice! This is an excellent resource! There are some good pastors listed there, who contribute their research papers every year, at their annual meetings in Dallas.

http://www.pre-trib.org


3 posted on 04/01/2015 10:27:34 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Stretching things a bit ...


4 posted on 04/01/2015 10:36:03 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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Wake up folks! Erdogan has declared himself “god” do you have to see him sacrifice a pig in the Temple before you believe we’re in it? Apostasy is rampant in the church universal with gay marriage and pro abortion, screwed up doctrine that says you can have your “best life” now. Where is the Cross of Christ preached, believed and, more importantly, lived??? Pretrib is just an excuse to escape persecution - especially for Americans who believe they are the only Christians that matter in the world and the world revolves around them. Those recently martyred in the middle east aren’t looking for a pretrib rapture. They’re looking for a Crown of Life.


6 posted on 04/01/2015 10:41:38 AM PDT by Lake Living
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I see the events something like this chronologically: 3.5 year tribulation. Followed by “rapture” (Revelation 7, after the sealing of the 144k). Followed by 3.5 year wrath of God on whoever is left other than the 144k.


7 posted on 04/01/2015 10:41:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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2 Thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

I hardly think that these verses make the case for a pre-trib rapture. I don’t find the case in the bible for two “parusias”, but a single event. There will not be two returns of the Lord, but one. That will be when the Wrath of the Lord is executed, and we (those that are alive) will meet him in the air at that time.


12 posted on 04/01/2015 10:56:14 AM PDT by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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Revelation 12:9 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

The woman is Gods Church. She is taken to a place in the wilderness, not Heaven.

The Tribulation is 42 months.

14 posted on 04/01/2015 11:03:39 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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Well, the important thing is not when the interpretation came into existence, but whether or not it is the correct interpretation.

For the record, I side with the pre-trib rapture guys.


15 posted on 04/01/2015 11:03:54 AM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: CynicalBear; wmfights; Iscool; metmom

End Times Ping


25 posted on 04/01/2015 11:23:05 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)
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“This means that the pre-tribulational rapture was positively taught no later than the early 7th century.”

It still flatly contradicts the Bible, so it doesn’t really matter. You can find heretical writings just as old as the oldest NT manuscripts, but they are still heretical.


34 posted on 04/01/2015 12:13:43 PM PDT by Boogieman
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The Pre-Trib Rapture is based on the fact that the Church is not Israel and it is Israel who goes through the Tribulation, not the Church.

The timing of the Rapture is found in that fact, not any New Testament verse.

44 posted on 04/01/2015 1:34:58 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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This has been subject of disagreement for many many years.. And it will not be resolved until the return of Christ

Personally I can not find scripture to settle the issue.. I look at the suffering of saints in the scriptures and through the ages and wonder why we should think that a 'special" generation would be spared that

It is difficult to see the beheadings and persecution happing to our brothers and sisters and to think that somehow it could happen to us...Will we stand strong? Would we hold our testimony? ..It is much nicer to think we will be taken out of it..

I pray for the courage to withstand a persecution should it come

51 posted on 04/01/2015 2:01:15 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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Extra-Biblical Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture

At least he sees it's extra-biblical.

88 posted on 04/01/2015 7:09:32 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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