Posted on 04/04/2015 1:59:27 PM PDT by Steelfish
At least, that's what his legal genealogy was in Matthew 1:
2 Abraham became the father of Isaac, ... 5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab.... 6 Jesse the father of David the king...16Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary. Of her was born Jesus who is called the Messiah.
Now, if you regard the Matthew genealogy as a legal and not a genetic genealogy, you'd have to look to the presumably genetic genealogy, the genealogy of, presumably, Mary, found in Luke. And that genealogy (Luke 3) does not name Rahab; in fact it does not name any female ancestor.
Stay out of it.
Take a hike, troll.
You most certainly did write that term yourself, and you have used it before, where someone else wrote "spiritual mother" and you quoted him as writing "spirit mother." You should not write that term in a way to make it seem that someone else wrote it when he or she has not.
The Blessed VIRGIN?
So does Rahab.
So?
What difference is it when looked at in the light of 'mother of Jesus' and 'Mother of GOD'?
If the extra-sensitive want to mind-read and attribute motive and intent -- then too bad -- go correct yourselves FIRST and then I will have pity for the Crimea River.
Meanwhile, if you would care to deal with the actual issue rather than the WHOLE DEAL hinge upon whether or not someone uses capitalized letters or not, or else uses a suffix or not, then what am I to assume but that sort of thing is more of a dodge and avoidance of addressing that which I set a forefinger firmly upon, myself having said in effect;
Is the answer --- all about form of expression rather than the underlying and true substance?
Does the form make the substance? If so, then by all means let us be consistent with that across the board rather than turning that on and off like a light switch whenever it best suits one's preferred theological expressions & forum debate tactics.
Now, if you would care to deal with the actual substance of the discussion at the point at which you inserted yourself, and do so in straightforward manner rather than quibble over slight technicalities of form, then go ahead and give it a whirl.
'Meanwhile, if it will be just more of the same of what you just went after -- then AGAIN,
Take a hike, troll.
I don't have time for this sort of juvenile digression which I have already fully well enough addressed.
I think that is so cool.
The four eyebrow-raising women of Jesus' genealogy according to Matthew: Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, and Bathsheba. Kind of like "born to be wild."
That should be the end of it.
Peace, brothers.
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Bingo! There you have it! We are not talking about Mary being our biological mother, after all...
:o)
There’s only one Mary who is the Mother of the Messiah.
That should be the end of it.
That should end it?
The boundary between Mary being a Goddess, perhaps not even lower case(?) goddess or semi- goddess, relies singularity upon usage of capitalization or not?
Oh, and the slight suffix composed of the letters "ual" caboose-d upon the word spirit.
Remove Mary from context of all those other offensive Spirit Mothers, place her more properly where Scripture would lead us to assume she would be (among the righteous, not among the earthly & sensual as I ALREADY readily agreed) and you would still demand she be referred to as spiritual mother even as at the same time she is upper case Our Lady, Queen of Heaven, Queen of us all --- but becomes shy and only small case spiritual mother instead of Titled Spirit Mother to go along with being Titled Queen of Heaven.
That simply must leave Mary to be spiritual mother merely conceptually speaking, poetically speaking, and not literally_ spiritually speaking, if I can use "literally spiritually" at the same instant, which I most certainly can, but at this juncture, in regard to this precise theological quandary, simply must.
So thank you for not be able to answer the question maybe?
Do you realize just how much of your own past efforts here on the religion forum have now gone up in flames?
I wonder when this thread got off the original topic. The Eucharist. How did it get on Mary, (as all these Catholic/anti-Catholic threads seem to eventually, no matter the starting topic)
Did I have a hand in this sidetracking? I hope not. Anyway...
Speaking of the original topic: anyone ever spend some significant time (an hour or so) in front of the Blessed Sacrament? Not worshipping or adoring or anything just sitting there in quiet contemplation?
If it’s just a “cracker” nothing to loose by doing so, other than an hour of your life. If it’s not though, might just experience something special.
Just a random thought.
There is a very good reason to make a distinction between "spiritual mother" and "Spirit Mother." And that is because they mean different things.
It was neither fair nor intellectually respectable for you to omit the substantive reason why I reject this entity called "Spirit Mother." I'll quote myself at #950:
I googled "Spirit Mother" and, as I suspected, the top hits by far were all about goddesses, shamans, embodied forces of nature, dream-totems, Shakti, Mormonism, pre-existence of souls, reincarnation, sexual consorts of gods, etc. This is repellent to me, and does not at all convey the Christian meaning.
Do words really mean the same thing if they are spelled nearly the same or touch on superficially similar themes? Does God = dog ("same letters")? Does First Lady = Eve? ("Eve was the First Lady, therefore Adam must have been President, hah!")? Does moral = amoral ("there's only one letter difference")?
As I said, it is not fair to refuse to make distinctions between distinctly different things, or to omit the explanation which was crucial to showing the difference.
I had thought better of you.
"For not being able to answer the question maybe?" What? What question?
Preach it, brother.
Who has an hour to waste if they think they're just sitting there contemplating a cracker?
They might as well be contemplating their navel.
OTOH, God has some cool promises about those who meditate on SCRIPTURE.
Psalm 1:1-3 Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night.
He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither. In all that he does, he prospers.
Joshua 1:8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
Unless the Mother has half of her genes in the gestating child, the child is related to the father by genes, not the mother, genetically. Once the amniotic sac closes (the water world), the new individual builds their own body. The Woman’s body builds none of the child gestating in her womb.
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