St. Clement of Rome, St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Justin Martyr, St. Irenaeus of Lyons
Posted on 04/04/2015 1:59:27 PM PDT by Steelfish
Just where do you guys get this stuff, a magic 8 ball??? You certainly don't get it from the scriptures...
And again, where do your Catholic theologians get this stuff from???
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him and eat the Eucharist should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him and gnaw on the bread should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I like Jesus' feel good story better than yours...
We as Christians don't worship a 'Faith'...We worship God...
Bravo!
As for your fine quote, here:
“But even before the Bible was assembled by the Catholic Church in 362....”.
Right there. I say, right there, is why it makes the head explode to have to listen to the round up make tossed salad of the sacred scriptures, all to use against Catholics. LOL!
Do they even know who assembled the Bible? Do they even know the year? I mean, after all, it isn’t in the Bible. Could they even touch that with a ten foot pole?
Can they understand that it was the Church that gave us the Bible, NOT the other way around? THAT is basic truth, and understood in the Bible, but not in the eyes of the beholders of their own interpretation.
It must be blasphemy for protestants to hear of, and from, the Apostolic Fathers, the Early Fathers, the Didache, the Jewish roots of the Eucharist and of the Sacraments.
This chortling culminates around here in a cacophony of mostly anti-Catholic grudges garnered from the mouths of fallen or former Catholics, and other protestants armed with chapter and verse with no universal context or theology in sight.
St. Clement of Rome, St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Justin Martyr, St. Irenaeus of Lyons
HaHaHa...God's revelation to man creates shallow Christianity...
While the intellectuals and philosophers have it all figured out...
1Co 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1Co 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
I guess you are the anti-type of the apostle Paul...If one has never read the bible you may be able to gain some traction...But for us who have read the bible, out you go with the bathwater...
I agree with you. The Church is well represented by Steelfish sources and apologetics.
He reminds me of Cruz handling the vicious piranha media. They pose no challenge for him, hampered as they are by their limitations and intellectual grasp, so he just enjoys the noise, politely eats their lunch with the truth, burps, and moves on.
Finally, it has gotten boring to try to engage. Like head banging with a butterfly. :)
PS: I am working on Christian Prayer, of the Liturgy of the Hours. Just us Catholics and the heirs of Ishmael ever prayed the 7 times in the day. That’s kind of ancient isn’t it. And fascinating.
This gets shallower by the minute. A cascade of quotations about not trusting the “wisdom of men.” Christ here was talking about the secular world of men. But even this much seems to escape neophyte interpretations.
Perhaps then you should toss away “your” Bible because it was put together by the early Church fathers/theologians (”wisdom of men”) under infallible Petrine authority. More to the point, if you must doubt Petrine authority, then surely you must doubt whether the early Church fathers got it right when they assembled the books in the Bible. Maybe they “foolishly” (”wisdom of men”) included some books which they should have excluded and/or excluded some that should have been included.
And while on the subject of not trusting the wisdom of men, you ought to tell Matthew to go take a hike when he conveyed Christ’s instruction to teach in Matthew 28:20
“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”
The ONE true Catholic Church “teaches” us just as it taught the world that the books it selected reflects the true Word of God. That SOLE and ONE “teaching authority” does not have an expiry date nor has it been overcome by the evil of Protestantism centuries later.
Some wisdom here from the renowned English essayist, Hillaire Belloc in his book “The Great Heresies,” where he wrote that like other heresies, Protestantism “spawned a cluster of heresies.”
The saints of the Catholic Church among whom are a constellation of theologians must be dismissed as the “wisdom of men.”
Perhaps, you can now see for yourself why many of your eminent Protestant and Episcopalian theologians decamped and converted to Catholicism leaving the foolish men beyond at the shallow end of the theological pool thrashing about trying to make sense of it all by creating a salad of quotations.
It will help you folks to do some serious reading before asking such questions.
Here’s what the heretic Martin Luther, the Protestant Reformer, stated about the Bible? In his “Commentary On St. John,” he stated the following: We are compelled to concede to the Catholic Church “that they have the Word of God, that we have received It from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of It at all.”
Yes, Christian Prayer; Liturgy of the Hours; Divine Office—all are the same thing, just title differences. It is the “keeping of the hours”—Morning Prayer, Midday Prayer; Evening Prayer, Night Prayer-—all from the Psalms. In the 4-volume series, each day has added relevant Scripture passages from the Old and New Testament and those wonderful writings of the Early Church Fathers.
I have been blessed to be introduced to what is now called the Liturgy of the Hours. It changed my life.
And yes, “the Church is well represented by Steelfish sources and apologetics.”
Thanks for your post-—you are OK Rita :-)
Here’s what the heretic Martin Luther, the Protestant Reformer, stated about the Bible? In his “Commentary On St. John,” he stated the following: We are compelled to concede to the Catholic Church “that they have the Word of God, that we have received It from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of It at all.”
Why didn't you write the entire comment...The one that shows how you are taking what Luther said out of context...You're not another one of those deceiver Catholics, are you???
See that? NOT the Catholics. Catholics came along much later and corrupted and added to what the Jews had been entrusted with.
>>“But even before the Bible was assembled by the Catholic Church in 362....”.<<
God also used Judas to establish His will. Should we list some of the others? Like Harod or Pontius Pilate? Maybe Balaam's donkey?
>>It must be blasphemy for protestants to hear of, and from, the Apostolic Fathers, the Early Fathers, the Didache<<
In Revelation John recorded how 85% of the churches had already gone into error. Yet you want to rely on some suspect writings long after that? Paul wrote that anyone who taught something they didn't should be considered accursed.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Catholics can't prove that what they are being taught was actually taught by the apostles.
>>protestants armed with chapter and verse with no universal context or theology in sight.<<
The fear of scripture that Catholics have is palpable. Like Muslims and Mormons they rely on teaching other than scripture.
And Joseph Smith was visited by an angel!
The word eucharist is not even in the bible.
Neither is the word "Bible."
The word "Bible" is not a new doctrine, neither is the type of ink nor the publisher nor the type of binding.
Oh really?
Matthew 1:1 The book (biblos) of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book (biblos) of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Luke 3:4 As it is written in the book (biblos) of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book (biblos) of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Do I need to post the rest of the times it's in there?
The Bible does not use the word "Bible" meaning the canon of God-inspired works accepted as sacred by Christians, nor even meaning the canon of God-inspired works accepted as sacred by Jews. It uses "biblos" with a different range of reference than the word "Bible", sometimes a wider range ("book" in general), sometimes more limited, as I will explain below.
Different word, different meaning.
The examples you gave show this very well:
Matthew 1:1 - biblos = genealogy
Mark 12:26 - biblos = five books (Pentateuch)
Luke 3:4 - biblos = one book (Isaiah)
Luke 20:42 - biblos = one book (Psalms)
In no case with "biblos" refer to what we mean by "Bible" today.
Strong's Greek 976
biblehub.com/greek/976.htm
biblos: (the inner) bark (of a papyrus plant), hence a scroll, spec. a book. ... Definition: a written book, roll, or volume, sometimes with a sacred connotation. ...
CB: "Do I need to post the rest of the times it's in there?"
If you want me to explain it all for you, sure.
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