The Resurrection & The Eucharist

http://www.frksj.org/homily_ressurection_and_the_eucharist.htm ^

[metmom]

John 3:16 is the "once upon a time" (No I am not calling the Bible a fairy tale, follow the analogy). You still need the rest of the story until you get to the "happily ever after" (heaven).

The creed(s) is what leads to that. They are the defense against Arius etal.

We get the analogy alright.

Catholicism has replaces Scripture with creeds and appeal to that for authority instead. IOW, Scripture is subservient to the writings of man.

[Zuriel]

**You and others in your group try telling us that the Eucharist is not the true body and blood of Christ without realizing for a moment the sheer absurdity of this assertion.**

And when does the eucharist wear out? Is it time release? If you are on a camping trip and miss a week, are you at risk? How many times a year is the minimum intake? Is there a way to measure the power in each wafer? If there is eternal life in each wafer, why does it wear out?

In the early 90’s I knew a, Clinton loving, liberal woman, at a place I once worked, that tried to take mass every day.

Your church simply has turned it into an idol.

[Elsie]

"17 ...When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!"

The record SHOWS that the other 'personage' never DID speak!

Hear him say WHAT???

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On a similar note; I've always wondered what and Angel of Light would appears as...

... the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description...

Looks like we'll never know...

[Elsie]

We are the Church of Jesus Christ that was abandoned by man in 1rst and 2nd centuries, restored by Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father.

And your church has CORRECTED the error found in the KJV bible with the Inspired Version: the JST.

Yet it is NOT used and the KJV is clung to.

Strange actions of a church that claims to be the only CORRECT one.

[Elsie]

The book of Doctrine and Covenants is one of the standard works of the Church in company with the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Pearl of Great Price.

I see you affirm that the Inspired Version is NOT considered scripture.

I wonder why GOD would tell the first Living Prophet® Joseph, to do the work; but has never told another Living Prophet® to actually ACCEPT the work.

[Elsie]

Although most of the sections are directed to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the messages, warnings, and exhortations are for the benefit of all mankind and contain an invitation to all people

Yeah; them WARNINGS are somethin'; ain't they!!

Doctines and Covenants section 132

 

51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to ^aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.

 52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, ^areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.

 53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been ^afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

 54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and ^acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be ^bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.

 55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ^ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of ^beternal lives in the eternal worlds.

 56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid ^aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to ^brejoice.

[verga]

Catholicism has replaces Scripture with creeds and appeal to that for authority instead. IOW, Scripture is subservient to the writings of man.

That is is not what I said at all, so you are both putting words in my mouth and mind reading. Mea Scripturaists seem to enjoy that.

We get the analogy alright.

It seems you don't.

[Elsie]

 

 

 

 

 

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Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???

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Eliza was a devout Mormon.

 

At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).

 

In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and

knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.

Wow!!

 

I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!

 

We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!          

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

[Elsie]

This is the official position of the Church.

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Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

Then START today!

[Elsie]

Most everything I post on Mormonism comes directly from the RECORDS they so slavishly keep!

[Elsie]

Catholics can’t because Scripture doesn’t support the majority of their doctrine. That’s why they HAVE TO depend so heavily on the early church fathers and “tradition”.

Likewise...

Mormons can’t because The Book of MORMON doesn’t support the majority of their doctrine.

That’s why they HAVE TO depend so heavily on the early Living Prophets® writing down D&C's and various sermons given over the years.

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Those Lamanites and Nephiites would have probably lived in peace with each other if ONLY they had had the Word of Wisdom to follow...

[Elsie]

There's no problem with believing the Bible, the problem is that I don't want to be an Arian.

Me, either!

But; so far; believing the bible has NOT caused me any problems.

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Well; other than causing me to NOT cling to the convoluted interpretations of the Church of Rome about it.

[Elsie]

...has made a perfect act of contrition..

Could you please explain this to an old, ignorant Protestant?

[Elsie]

Claws that snatch are becoming more prevalent.

[Elsie]

Are there ANY oysters left for ME?

[Elsie]

He’s studied both sides of it and after all he was so well esteemed by his colleagues that he became president of the Evangelical Theological Society (ETS), an association of 4,300 Protestant theologians. He was prepared to leave this prestigious pedestal and with humility go back to the truth.

That does it then!

I'm gonna believe HIM!!!

--No_Longer_A_Berean(Come see a man...)

[Elsie]

IS THIS Scripture???

[Elsie]

Psalms, Catholic chapter one hundred eighteen, in its entirety,Psalms, Catholic chapter one hundred eighteen, in its entirety,

Never mind; I see it now...

[Elsie]

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Galatians 6:7

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Direct question; direct answer:

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”