The Resurrection & The Eucharist

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[Resettozero]

And yet when someone wants to take it as authoritative, they blow a gasket and begin with the questions, challenges, mockery, accusations, etc.

Presuming we're discussing the enthusiastic RCs who post here and not the actual believers in Lord Jesus Christ alone who find themselves entrapped by the RCC...

Because they refuse to be led by the Holy Spirit and instead are following substitute religious spirits. Were they genuinely to be born again of the Spirit and abide in Christ alone, they would be convicted by the Spirit and horrified to know the spirits they had been following so very willingly and stridently.

They would know the voice of the Good Shepherd and recognize His Word much more than now.

[BlueDragon]

Actually I think you’re funnier than me. :)

Well, you know what they say, "smell ain't everything".

However, it just may help keep one safe from the cannibals.

Did you hear the one about the cannibal who passed his brother on the trail? 'oe-kAy, that's the end of that one...

[Elsie]

This is true; but I want to hope for the best.

[Elsie]

And I am sad to say that I can only count one of these kids as a "success".

So far, verga. So far...

Remember the vineyard parable.

[verga]

I know this does not sound Christian, But I God has made a very special place to punish these sickos, beyond the normal Hell.

[Elsie]

Do I worship Mary?

You'll have to ask yourself:

How much time do I spend talking to a dead person?

[CynicalBear]

>>You don't acknowledge Mary as the woman prophesied in Genesis 3:15,<<

Mary is NOT referenced in Genesis 3:15. The "she" that is being referenced in every instance is Eve and her offspring. Trying to inject Mary into those verses is simply a Catholic construct in an attempt to bolster a false teaching. The "big picture" show Catholicism to be a false religion and another gospel.

[BlueDragon]

She had a tested IQ of over 136 and was one of the most amoral people I ever met outside of a penal institution.

Interesting.

Here's to hoping she'll have a Helen Keller sort of breakthrough, illuminating intervention experience (that will cause a figuratively blind & deaf person to be able to inwardly, both see & hear) which changes everything that can be changed (toward the positive, that is...).

One cannot undo the past, yet the Lord can smooth out some of the after-effects of the damages suffered, instead of just a papering over those things as we are often left to do ourselves, when all we've got is ourselves --- no one being able to reach us.

[BlueDragon]

I know this does not sound Christian, But I God has made a very special place to punish these sickos, beyond the normal Hell.

Hmmm.

And now it seems as if you've left out "hope".

Yet uh, I sort-a tend to think that the uh, 'normal' hell would suffice...

[Mrs. Don-o]

Blue Dragon, this may seem a little thing, but it's a priority for me: please don't say I called Mary a "Spirit Mother."

I did say "spiritual" mother, and you might say "What's the difference?" But there is a difference, a big one.

I googled "Spirit Mother" and, as I suspected, the top hits by far were all about goddesses, shamans, embodied forces of nature, dream-totems, Shakti, Mormonism, pre-existence of souls, reincarnation, sexual consorts of gods, etc. This is repellent to me, and does not at all convey the Christian meaning.

If I could take a little bottle-brush and some pine-sol, I would want to scrub those images clean out of your mind and mine as well.

So what does "spiritual mother" mean? I'd start off by saying, "Read Revelation 12." I did learn something here, which is: don't assume that people will automatically understand what you say in the context of Jesus Christ Our Lord.

[CynicalBear]

>>If they can’t be trusted to have doe the job properly the first time around, why should I expect them to get it right the second, or third, or how ever many times it takes?<<

Selling indulgences, eating meat on Friday, and the list goes on.

[CynicalBear]

>>Who worships Mary?<<

Catholics, all Catholics. By very fact that she is given the title "queen of heaven".

[Mrs. Don-o]

Somehow, I knew you missed it!

[Mrs. Don-o]

Genesis 3:15 is a Messianic prophecy, is it not? The first promise of the coming of the Savior who would defeat the Serpent?

Doesn't that become clearer when you read in Revelation 12 that the Serpent is still at war with the Woman and the son she bore? And isn't the Woman identified as the mother of the Messiah?

Isn't she portrayed as the mother of many other offspring, namely "those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus"?

This is one of the grandest examples of the epic coherence and continuity of Sacred Scripture from beginning to end. The continuity of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation strikes me as astonishing, an aspect of the Genius of God, miraculous.

[verga]

Between inner city schools and a Juvenile detention center I worked at for a short time: Step momster that stripped the ends of an extension cord and flayed a 13 year old girls back for not cleaning her room.

17 year old mother so stoned she did not hear the screams of her 2 year old daughter as the doberman bit the toes off the child.

7 year old boy whose mother thought a good form of punishment was taking the hot curling iron to his mouth. Parents that had 7 year old selling drugs, because if he got caught it was Juvie, for them it was Attica or Sing Sing. (This young man ended up in Juvie after he attempted to kill some older dealers by blowing up their car when they beat him up trying to take his territory.)

Yeah I am jaded but I really have a thing against people that harm innocent children or dumb animals for no good reason. And I have seen too much of both over the years.

[CynicalBear]

>>Are you saying we should go back to the original meaning of the word Bible? You may recall that I showed you that it originally referred to the Phoenician port.<<

Matthew 1:1 The book (biblos) of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Philippians 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book (biblos) of life.

Greek - biblos - a written book

"early 14c., from Anglo-Latin biblia, Old French bible (13c.) "the Bible," also any large book generally, from Medieval and Late Latin biblia (neuter plural interpreted as feminine singular), in phrase biblia sacra "holy books," a translation of Greek ta biblia to hagia "the holy books," from Greek biblion "paper, scroll," the ordinary word for "book," originally a diminutive of byblos "Egyptian papyrus," possibly so called from Byblos (modern Jebeil, Lebanon), the name of the Phoenician port [http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Bible]

The Holy Spirit used the word throughout scripture. You didn't show anything other than a possibility. I'll go with the Holy Spirit. K?

[CynicalBear]

I won’t succumb to the entrapment of your word games.

[CynicalBear]

>>And isn't the Woman identified as the mother of the Messiah?<<

The woman is identified as Zion NOT Mary.

[StormPrepper]

The Son IS the flesh and bones THAT the Father DWELLS in.

The fact that your organization claims that the Father has a flesh and bones body, separate from the Son’s flesh and bones body, shows error in their very foundation. They are denying the words of Christ, John, and Paul.

No, what it denies is your interpretation of those scriptures.

The Father and Son are one in purpose.

On the cross Jesus proclaimed:

Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

This alone is undeniable proof that the Father and Son are two different and separate people. If not, how could one forsake the other?

Stephen looked into heaven and saw God sitting on His throne and Jesus standing at His right hand.

John 17:
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Jesus wants His Apostles to share the same relationship as Jesus does with His Father. One in purpose and mind.

God showed Himself to Joseph Smith in order to clear up these false concepts of God that have come from the imaginations of men. Therefore we don't have to debate the subject. God has a body, Joseph saw it.

Heavenly Father is the literal Father of our spirits. He is not mystical or magical. We are made in His image. Children grow up to be like their parents. Jesus took His body up and went to our Father and so can it be with us.

[Elsie]

We humans like to RANK sins: some more heinous than others.

Jesus said if you break the LEAST of them...