-— Now please show an infallible source that proves that what the Catholic Church teaches as “tradition” is exactly what the apostles taught. -—
The Church is “the pillar and foundation of truth,” protecting Apostolic Tradition, as handed down “by word of mouth or by letter.”
“if he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” —Jesus
Of course, this argument rests on the inerrancy of Scripture, which would have to have come from an infallible church.
Church infallibility can be proven with moral certainty by simply treating the New Testament as a historical document, so the argument is not circular.
Google “Jimmy Akin spiral argument” for the details
That shows nothing. A “pillar and foundation of truth,” doesn't make up truth.
>>protecting Apostolic Tradition, as handed down “by word of mouth or by letter.”<<
You can't prove that what the Catholic Church teaches is exactly what the apostles taught. Show where the apostles taught the assumption of Mary for instance.
The Church is “the pillar and foundation of truth,” protecting Apostolic Tradition, as handed down “by word of mouth or by letter.” “if he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” —Jesus
That's not even a one verse wonder to support errant doctrine. It's only part of verses.
Just so that nobody is led into error about what is being said by Jesus there.....
That verse taken out of context by you AGAIN, has been corrected many times and since it appears that it has not yet sunk in, I will post the verse IN CONTEXT again.....
This passage is not a blanket order to obey the leadership of any church which claims that it alone is the one true church.
It is at the end of a discourse addressing how to handle disputes in the body.
It lays out very specifically the steps one is to go through in resolving personal conflict within the body.
Matthew 18:15-20 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church.
And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”
NOWHERE does Jesus command us to "listen to the church".
The comment is *IF he does not listen to the church, then......*
That is a gross misinterpretation of the passage to claim or imply that it is a standing order of Jesus to listen to the Catholic church.
The clear meaning is here for everyone to see. It's dealing with disputes among believers, not absolute authority given to *the Church*.
