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To: af_vet_1981
Are you explaining that "personal saviour" is unscriptural and therefore disallowed, or that even though it is not in scripture, it is scriptural and allowed ?

I think you missed quite a bit from what I posted. In summary, "personal Lord and Savior" two of three is in Scriptures. Lord and Savior is most accurate. I stated the 'personal' is not found. I then pointed out that we have evidence of prayers, psalms, and even lamentations which show a personal outpouring of the heart towards God. People of faith in the Scriptures use "my" when referring to God. "My Lord and My God" (Thomas). That is a personal affirmation. I then concluded that 'no' the actual term 'personal' was not to be found. I in no way argued such use as 'Biblical.' When some street evangelists come up to me on a bus or street corner and don't know me, some ask "Is Jesus Christ your personal Lord and Savior." I respond 'yes Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior." They usually get the hint.

I have already demonstrated from Isaiah and Matthew many times that Mary is the mother of "God with us."

And based on the above statement I asked "are you comfortable calling Mary the "mother of YHWH?" Which you did not answer. For the scriptures you provided are evidence of the Deity of the Son of God Jesus Christ. Stretching a title for Mary from those Scriptures is wresting the text as no one in NT addressed her as such.

219 posted on 04/10/2015 6:16:04 AM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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To: redleghunter
I see you confirm the expression "personal saviour" is an extra biblical phrase, and if you disallow it that is consistent with disallowing the phrase "mother of God," albeit not ""mother of "God with us,"" which is in scripture.

I did answer your question, first by pointing out it was constructed with a name you do not pronounce correctly, and therefore I am uncomfortable with it. I am also uncomfortable with any attempt to separate Jesus from the LORD (though you may argue for the Arabic pronunciation if you believe strongly and I will entertain your argument), and secondly by substituting LORD for the Tetragrammaton. I then affirmed Mary is the mother of "the LORD Jesus Christ" and "the LORD with us," asking (I think, if you agreed). Do you agree ?

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate 
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

221 posted on 04/10/2015 6:45:52 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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