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We Cannot Love God if We Do Not Love His Word
ligonier ministries ^ | Mar 27, 2015 | R.C. Sproul

Posted on 04/10/2015 4:15:28 PM PDT by RnMomof7

We Cannot Love God if We Do Not Love His Word

from Mar 27, 2015 Category: Articles

Emil Brunner, the twentieth-century Swiss theologian and one of the fathers of neoorthodox theology, wrote a little book titled Truth as Encounter. His thesis was that when we study the things of God, we are not studying truth in the abstract. We want to understand theology not merely so that we can make an A on a theology exam. We want to understand the doctrine of God so that we can understand God, so that we can meet the living God in His Word and deepen our personal relationship with Him. But we cannot deepen a relationship with someone if we do not know anything about him. So, the propositions of Scripture are not an end in themselves but a means to an end. However, they are a necessary means to the end. Thus, to say Christianity is not about propositions but about relationships is to establish an extremely dangerous false dichotomy. It is to insult the Spirit of truth, whose propositions they are. These propositions should be our very meat and drink, for they define the Christian life.

Recently I read some letters to the editor of a Christian magazine. One of them disparaged Christian scholars with advanced degrees. The letter writer charged that such men would enjoy digging into word studies of Christ’s teachings in the ancient languages in order to demonstrate that He did not really say what He seems to say in our English Bibles. Obviously there was a negative attitude toward any serious study of the Word of God. Of course, there are scholars who are like this, who study a word in six different languages and still end up missing its meaning, but that does not mean we must not engage in any serious study of the Word of God lest we end up like these ungodly scholars. Another letter writer expressed the view that people who engage in the study of doctrine are not concerned about the pain people experience in this world. In my experience, however, it is virtually impossible to experience pain and not ask questions about truth. We all want to know the truth about suffering, and specifically, where is God in our pain. That is a theological concern. The answer comes to us from the Scriptures, which reveal the mind of God Himself through the agency of the Holy Spirit, who is called the Spirit of truth. We cannot love God at all if we do not love His truth.

It is very sad to me that in today’s sophisticated Western culture, people are more familiar with the twelve signs of the Zodiac than with the twelve tribes of Israel or the twelve Apostles. Our world likes to see itself as sophisticated and technological, but it remains filled with superstition. Christians are not immune to this. We, too, can succumb to the new-age desire for the power to manipulate our environment. We do not have to go as far as accepting the foolish idea that the courses of the stars determine our destinies, our prosperity, our achievements, and our successes. However, it is equally superstitious to equate our feelings and inclinations with the leading of the Holy Spirit. It seems so much more exciting to live with a freewheeling openness to the leading of the Holy Spirit rather than practicing the laborious discipline of mastering His Word. This is exceedingly dangerous ground. If we want to do the will of the Father, we need to study the Word of the Father—and leave the magic to the astrologers.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: knowledge; relationship; scripture
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1 posted on 04/10/2015 4:15:28 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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ping


2 posted on 04/10/2015 4:15:59 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

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3 posted on 04/10/2015 4:17:59 PM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: RnMomof7

The bible does warn about “quarrels about words.” But again one of those deep scholars might say this doesn’t mean what it seems to say...

Anyhow, be careful about raising strawmen.


4 posted on 04/10/2015 4:20:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: RnMomof7

And yes, relationship is where it starts. Be careful about twisting the words of people who emphasize this fact into some kind of seeming assertion that the bible does not matter. For “God has made all things beautiful in their time.”

I can personally vouch that one can study the bible for decades and nothing seems to happen until the relationship begins to click in earnest. All that study will prove to be exceedingly helpful as preparation, but it might as well have been in a foreign language until the basis for putting it into practice has been established. “Ah, this is what God means.” You see it with your heart, not just your head.


5 posted on 04/10/2015 4:25:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: RnMomof7

Thanks for the ping, Rn;) In the same vein, we cannot be approved as workmen for God unless we study and rightly divide His word of truth (2 Tim. 2:15). He promises us that we will not be ashamed if we do so.


6 posted on 04/10/2015 4:33:47 PM PDT by smvoice (There are no prizes given for defending the indefensible.)
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To: RnMomof7

“Left that other site” has excellent Bible studies with pictures every day on the “Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem” thread. It is posted in the morning. I always make sure to catch up even if it means going back for several days. Right now the thread is going through characters of the Bible and the pictures really add to the study.


7 posted on 04/10/2015 4:39:42 PM PDT by Maudeen
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To: RnMomof7

It seems to me, as a Catholic, we need to turn our conscience over to God the Father and Jesus Christ... That’s it, no bible studies, no translations no nothing. It then becomes automatic.


8 posted on 04/10/2015 5:04:00 PM PDT by babygene
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To: babygene

Your comment sounds nice, but that is not what God says in 2 Tim. 2:15. He tells you what He desires in order that we will not be ashamed workmen for Him. Study and rightly divide His word of truth.


9 posted on 04/10/2015 5:06:53 PM PDT by smvoice (There are no prizes given for defending the indefensible.)
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To: babygene
It seems to me, as a Catholic, we need to turn our conscience over to God the Father and Jesus Christ... That’s it, no bible studies, no translations no nothing. It then becomes automatic.

How is one "conscience" informed?

How does one know who God is without knowing Him through His word?

10 posted on 04/10/2015 5:09:47 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Through the Holly Spirit...


11 posted on 04/10/2015 5:11:18 PM PDT by babygene
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To: RnMomof7

Without belief in the Holy Eucharist what difference does this all make?


12 posted on 04/10/2015 5:14:19 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: HiTech RedNeck
And yes, relationship is where it starts. Be careful about twisting the words of people who emphasize this fact into some kind of seeming assertion that the bible does not matter.

Just what kind of "relationship" does one have with a stranger?

Anyone can have a "relationship" with a god of his own making... that is different than having a relationship with the God of the bible....

13 posted on 04/10/2015 5:14:33 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: babygene
Through the Holly Spirit...

How does one even know who the Holy Spirit is ?

There is a spirit of deception.. men love gods of their own makings

14 posted on 04/10/2015 5:16:02 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Steelfish
Without belief in the Holy Eucharist what difference does this all make?

Ummm a prime example of deception..

15 posted on 04/10/2015 5:17:03 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

We Catholics understand that no amount of elaboration appears sufficient for folks like you. You either wear blinders, or refuse to accept the proof, or are unable to comprehend the writings of your very own leading Lutheran theologians and Episcopalians who converted to Catholicism. You ask what the sacred traditions of the Church? ALL what the Church does as part of its liturgical and ritual practices, and beliefs in communion with Christ, the saints, and its martyrs.

No one is saying that the “the leading of the Holy Spirit is absurd.” Rather, because of the diverse and often contradictory beliefs of Protestants and Episcopalians, each cannot claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit. That would make the Holy Spirit a contradiction unto itself.

Surely, the congregations of Joel Osteen, Jimmy Swaggart; Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Billy Graham, and hundreds of your neighborhood local Foursquare Churches cannot each claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit.

To deny the Eucharist, you will have to REFUTE:

1. Scripture itself. John 6:53

2. The sacred oral tradition, the very tradition that was used to cross check and cross reference the books in the Bible that were infallibly assembled as authentic by the Catholic Church. So if you doubt the oral tradition, you must doubt the fact-checking sources for the Bible, and consequently the accuracy of the Bible itself. You cannot have it both ways by accepting the Bible as authentic and un-tether its infallibility from the sacred oral tradition.

3. The beliefs and practices of the early disciples of Christ before the Bible was assembled in the early fourth century which the Church continues to this day in the administration of the Sacraments of the Church and its forms of adoration and veneration.

4. The beliefs of saints, martyrs, and stigmatists who believed that the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Holy Eucharist is at the very center of Christian belief and this is why the Tabernacle was at the center of all Catholic Churches and worship and was so for FIFTEEN CENTURIES (AND CONTINUES TO BE) before the curse of Protestantism in 1517 (especially now with their mainline denominations using scriptural warrant to ordain gay, lesbian, and coming soon, transgender pastors) washed ashore spreading, what the great essayist Hillaire Belloc called, a “cluster of heresies.”

5. The explicit writings of the early Church fathers.

This would include St. Irenaeus of Lyons, an early Church Father and Doctor of the Church
https://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_article/541/Eucharist_as_Pledge_of_Resurrection_St._Irenaeus.html

In fact, the real presence of the body and blood of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist (transubstantiation), also known as Mass or the Lord’s Supper, was taken for granted in the early Church.

Written by St. Irenaeus about 185 AD, this excerpt in the link above makes clear the Church’s realistic interpretation of the Eucharist as the risen body of Christ.

6. The brilliant Catholic theologians after whom colleges and universities have been named.

7. The pre-eminent Episcopalian and Lutheran theologians who have converted to Catholicism such as Rev. Richard Neuhaus who wrote he found “the fullest expression of Christ in the Catholic Church.” (However, Bible

Christians tell us the “Holy Spirit” rather than having led them to the ONE truth, instead deserted them and the Holy Spirit is somehow, somewhere else, perhaps dwelling among some Protestant sects but we don’t know for sure which sect it is: Joel Osteen’s or Jeremiah Wright’s)

The resurrection is not some simple belief of a dead man coming to life.

Pope Benedict XVI (the theological Einstein of our times) captured this brilliant in the following passage. In the middle volume of his triptych, Jesus of Nazareth, Pope Benedict XVI tried to describe those Resurrection-changes in history and nature (which are, of course, ultimately indescribable) like this:

“Christ’s Resurrection . . . is a historical event that nevertheless bursts open the dimensions of history and transcends it. Perhaps we may draw upon analogical language here . . . [and think of] the Resurrection as something akin to a radical “evolutionary leap,” in which a new dimension of life emerges, a new dimension of human existence. Indeed, matter itself is remolded into a new type of reality. “

“The man Jesus, complete with his body, now belongs to the sphere of the divine and eternal. From now on, as Tertullian once said, “spirit and blood” have a place within God. . . . Even if man by his nature is created for immortality, it is only now that the place exists in which his immortal soul can find its “space,” its “bodiliness,” in which immortality takes on its meaning as communion with God and with the whole of reconciled mankind.”

“This is what is meant by those passages in Saint Paul’s prison letters (cf. Colossians 1.12–23 and Ephesians 1. 3–23) that speak of the cosmic body of Christ, indicating thereby that Christ’s transformed body is also the place where men enter into communion with God and with one another and are therefore able to live definitively in the fullness of indestructible life. . .”

“[Thus] Jesus’s Resurrection was not just about some deceased individual coming back to life at a certain point. . . . [An] ontological leap occurred, one that touches being as such, opening up a dimension that affects us all, creating for all of us a new space of life, a new space of being in union with God.”

You can now see why without the living body and blood of Christ in the Holy Eucharist, the Resurrection has no meaning.
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ndeed, deny this belief, and Protestantism is no different than a Hindu whose reading of the Upanishads and the Bhaghavad Gita tells him of an afterlife, or Buddhist beliefs in Bodhisattvas who as enlightened beings have put off entering paradise in order to help others attain enlightenment.

In a word, such beliefs are in the end of matters of “faith” but they are as moribund as the reality of only the dead.

In the Eucharist, Catholics have the Living Body and Blood of Christ as He Himself promised during His time on earth and the Last Supper.


16 posted on 04/10/2015 5:22:54 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
Yada Yada Yada..."I don't need no word of God..the church will tell me what to think and what to believe.. ...."

yea we get it "sola ecclesia"

17 posted on 04/10/2015 5:27:45 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

About halfway through the first paragraph I remembered gearing R.C. Sproul reading this text on his radio program.

Thank you.


18 posted on 04/10/2015 5:33:45 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: RnMomof7

“There is a spirit of deception.. men love gods of their own makings”

that’s crazy talk...


19 posted on 04/10/2015 5:34:25 PM PDT by babygene
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To: RnMomof7
Without belief in the Holy Eucharist what difference does this all make? Ummm a prime example of deception..

Other than your ability to make bad decisions, why is this an example of deception??

20 posted on 04/10/2015 6:23:53 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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