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To: Mrs. Don-o
1. delusion is NOT the same as confusion

2. Prophesying is NOT teaching.

3. Did you ever notice there is a difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament and "take no thought for tomorrow" simply means that God will provide and we don't have to worry about it? Worrying about tomorrow simply shows a lack of faith in God.

4. Numbers 6 is speaking of a very special vow taken voluntarily for a period of time. Again, the New Testament changed things.

5. Isaiah 1:13 is speaking of corruptions of His Sabbath and Romans 14:5 is New Testament and all those laws and "Holy days" have been set aside through Christ.

>>My point is that none of these things are obvious in their meanings,<<

WRONG! They are all explained either within the passage or within scripture itself.

>>So if I have the choice between trusting either a many-centuries-long interpretive community, OR Cynical Bear<<

No one said you should "trust" me or any other man. It's scripture and the Holy Spirit you should trust. Putting your trust in that "interpretive community" is against what scripture teaches. At least it is for a true born again believer who has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Why do Catholic replace the Holy Spirit with the "magisterium"? Or do they not individually have the indwelling?

212 posted on 04/27/2015 5:09:29 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

BUT...

Scripture isn't for personal interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation.

Some things in Scripture are hard to understand.
2 Peter 3:15-16
Our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.

The Holy Spirit directs us toward teachers.
Acts 8:30-31
Philip ran up and heard him [the Ethiopian eunuch] reading Isaiah the prophet and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” He replied, “How can I, unless someone instructs me?”

God has appointed teachers.
1 Cor. 12:28-29
Some people God has appointed in the church to be, first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers?

"Why do Catholic replace the Holy Spirit with the "magisterium"? Or do they not individually have the indwelling?"

Catholics do not "replace the Holy Spirit" with the Magisterium (which means, authoritative teachers.) It is the Holy Spirit who inspires the teachers. It is God who appoints them in the Church, as Scripture says. It's not wise to resist being taught by God through the teachers He has appointed.

Every baptized person individually has the indwelling Holy Spirit. In fact, Jesus says God will send the Holy Spirit to ANYBODY who asks:

Luke 11:13
"If you then, who are wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?”

And here's where your argument breaks down. Because if you believe, as you must, that the Father in heaven has given the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him, then you have to believe that He has given the Holy Spirit to the 100 generations of Christians who came before you.

How do you, a single individual, set your judgment against that of the previous 100 generations of Spirit-indwelt Christians?

I do not accuse you of the particular errors found in the writings of the so-called "Gay Christians," but their argument is similar: they have interpretations of Scripture which contradict what all generations said before, and so what? They have careful word-study, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit!

You know it's bogus, and I know it's bogus, but there's no way to prove it's bogus if you, like they, show scant respect for what was believed by the 100 generations of believers who came before you, who also asked the Father in Heaven for the gift of the Holy Spirit.

You appeal to the Holy Spirit as if the Holy Spirit kinda petered out at the death of the last Apostle, and then came back to guide the Church at 'round about 1530, or 1930, or --- well, what year were you born, CB?

214 posted on 04/27/2015 6:23:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of Thy faithful, and kindle in them the fire of Thy love.)
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To: CynicalBear
Umm--- besides---

The Holy Spirit told me you need to be a Catholic.


215 posted on 04/27/2015 6:44:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of Thy faithful, and kindle in them the fire of Thy love.)
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