Posted on 04/26/2015 10:04:43 AM PDT by ebb tide
When did they bring in the Mary worship?
Late 1800’s?
When Christ was on the Cross and addressing St. John. Is that early enough for you?
They began to worship Mary when Christ was on the cross?
Mary is venerated, not worshipped by Catholics. Look up hyperdulia.
When did the sola scriptura folks decide that Christ’s clear teaching of divorce only in the case of marital infidelity also meant divorce for irreconcilable differences?
For later.
Nobody in the Catholic Church worships Mary.
Are you even on the right thread? Your question has nothing to do with the posted article.
The reason Benedict retired was due to health reasons, and maybe even the financial scandal that erupted from the Vatican Bank (and the betrayal of his butler. That probably took a personal mental toll).
The progressives in the Church don’t have some kind of grand master plan in place, pulling all the strings and manipulating even Popes, as this article implies. That’s just conspiracy theory nonsense on par with the likes of Alex Jones. Might as well call up the crazy haired Ancient Aliens guy if we are going down that road.
There are any number of “Sayings” in the investment world that could be applied to life in general.
“A rising tide lifts all boats”.......
........except the vessels with giant holes in them.
You don't seem to understand: the progressives have already pulled all the strings in the last conclave. Pope Francis himself is a progressive. He's one of "them" and he's the one with the "master plan". Look at his speeches, sermons, and his SinNods.
What other Pope has discouraged a Protestant bishop from converting to Catholicism for the supposed excuse of "building bridges". What good is a bridge if no one crosses it?
“Are you even on the right thread? Your question has nothing to do with the posted article.”
Yes.
My question was in response to this section of the article:
“In reality, the Church was thoroughly infiltrated and infested with progressives from top to bottom. Their quiescence during the early years of the Benedictine pontificate did not signify that they knew they were defeated, quite the opposite in fact. It was merely a tactic of the moment by a nefarious group of modernists that had been playing the long game since some fifty years before Joseph Ratzinger was even born.”
Ratzinger was born in 1927. And the writer posits that the Modernists had begun 50 years before Ratzinger was ever born. That would be 1877.
I was wondering when the Mary worship began, which is not that far off from 1877, if I am not mistaken.
Any apostasy or heresy weakens a church of denomination. We see that in protestant denominations.
I wonder if a similar dynamic has taken place in the Catholic denomination. Apostasy makes a denomination rife for the sort of decline the author of his piece is lamenting.
“Nobody in the Catholic Church worships Mary.”
That’s a relief!
This is a perfect opportunity for me to clarify some things:
I’m not a fan of Francis but I don’t believe he’s a “progressive” in so much as he doesn’t believe birth control is a sin, and/or he doesn’t think abortion is a sin. Nor does he support gay “marriage”. He does appear to have some leftist political leanings but I don’t believe they contaminate his social beliefs as described above.
There was talk shortly after his election (and I believe this may be correct) that he was almost elected before (then) Ratzinger. So it’s no surprise he was elected after Benedict stepped down. It’s not a grand master conspiracy.
It’s as the author of this piece said before: the progressives in the Church are dying off and all this garbage will slowly die off with them. Francis is a result of their dying influence not strengthened influence.
I see no reason to believe in conspiracy theories. It’s pretty plain to me: in 30-50 years when all the hippies are dead so will talk of allowing the divorced and remarried access to the Eucharist, as well as all the other hand-wringing we hear now from those who hate all things Francis.
Was it not Francis who allowed a Muslim to lead a prayer to Allah in the Vatican?
The various dulia simply point to a type of pantheistic theology not unsimilar to Buddhism.
It is interesting that you get it. Your comments about the current Pope and his place in these modernists, as the author called them.
I am looking broader long term to see how this evolved.
I do see that the Immaculate Conception was made dogma in 1854.
The Sola Scriptura people have never accepted divorce, and will not allow pastors to be divorced either. Most PROTESTANT churches have went away from Sola Scriptura. Try a Fundamental Baptist church to see what Sola Scriptura actually means.
“The various dulia simply point to a type of pantheistic theology not unsimilar to Buddhism.”
Except that classic Buddhism has no theology at all since it doesn’t believe in God. Also, veneration of saints cannot be viewed as “pantheistic” because it is predicated upon the same communion with God that all Christians share in - just that saints, being in heaven, and perfected by Christ’s grace, share in that communion to a greater degree.
Who could effect the next papal conclave more than the Pope who appoints the Cardinals?
It's not much different than Obama and the Supreme Court.
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