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To: RnMomof7; St_Thomas_Aquinas
So the Holy Spirit kinda drift in and out ...???

That would be a crude and flippant way of putting it, I think. It has nothing to do with "drift"; if one sins mortally, one KILLS the life of God within one's soul, and the Holy Spirit flees that place. He's too much of a gentlemen to stay where he's so obviously not wanted.

So does He return after one does 3 Hail Marys and 3 Our Fathers?

(*gasp*) Oh, my goodness! Those scary "Hail, Marys" and "Our Fathers" (wait... don't Protestants say the Lord's Prayer, too? And more than once in their lives? Sounds like "vain repetition", to me... :) ) [/sarc]

But no, no... He returns only after having done the Holy Hokey Pokey... in Latin, ad orientem, without the abominations known as "accompaniment". :)

(Let me know when you want to get serious again, and we can resume chatting about substantial stuff.)

BTW The catechism is not an infallible document.. so it is subject to change ..

The Catechism contains a great many infallible doctrines, all compiled into one handy volume (so that you needn't scour numerous council texts, etc.); you really should read it, sometime... especially if you intend to keep presuming to talk about the Catholic Church as if you know something substantial about it. Just saying.

Do we have any infallible scripture on the in and out Holy Spirit ??

Duh! Of COURSE we do! I just TOLD you that it was the Holy Hokey Pokey! Weren't you listening?! ("You put your Spirit in... you put your Spirit out... etc.")
1,063 posted on 05/04/2015 2:22:03 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan
The Catechism contains a great many infallible doctrines, all compiled into one handy volume (so that you needn't scour numerous council texts, etc.); you really should read it, sometime... especially if you intend to keep presuming to talk about the Catholic Church as if you know something substantial about it. Just saying.

Nope.. The magisterium has only INFALLIBLY defined a handful of scriptures. The RC Catechism is not an accumulation of "infallible doctrine" It is simply a fallible work of men

1,069 posted on 05/04/2015 2:46:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: paladinan
That would be a crude and flippant way of putting it, I think. It has nothing to do with "drift"; if one sins mortally, one KILLS the life of God within one's soul, and the Holy Spirit flees that place. He's too much of a gentlemen to stay where he's so obviously not wanted.

You have a weak God then, if your sin is greater than your god.

Sin does NOT kill the life of God in the soul and there's not one Scripture that even comes close to saying that.

On the contrary, where grace abounds, sin much more abounds and greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

The Holy Spirit seals us until the day of redemption. Jesus promised to NEVER leave us or forsake us.

He knows our frame and remembers that we are dust. He doesn't throw us under the bus every time we sin.

The Holy Spirit doesn't *flee* anything.

And sinning doesn't mean we don't want God in us. It simply means that we're weak and sometimes give in to temptation that we shouldn't cave to.

1,080 posted on 05/04/2015 7:08:49 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: paladinan; ealgeone
That would be a crude and flippant way of putting it, I think. It has nothing to do with "drift"; if one sins mortally, one KILLS the life of God within one's soul, and the Holy Spirit flees that place. He's too much of a gentlemen to stay where he's so obviously not wanted.

We are told to not quench the Spirit or to grieve Him, but nowhere is there any indication that we can kick him out or drive Him out, or that He will leave us or forsake us.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

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2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

For which the Greek, from the Byzantine, is:

2Corinthians 1:21-22 ο δε βεβαιων ημας συν υμιν εις χριστον και χρισας ημας θεος ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων

The first word in bold above is “bebaion,” the idea of confirmation, frequently used in commercial settings to confirm a bargain. Which of course makes sense of the remaining terms used here, which are also elements of a secured contract.

The second word in bold above is “sphragisamenos,” being sealed is to be marked by the signature, signet ring, or other unique proof of identity, that we belong to God, and this sealing is done by God, who is the one taking action in this verse. We do not and cannot seal ourselves. We do not, by our own powers, have access to God’s “signet ring.”

The third bolded word above is “arrabona,” and indicates what we might loosely refer to as earnest money, but in Hebrew culture conveys more the idea of a pledge of covenant, a security given as a guarantee that the deal will go through, though we only receive part payment at the beginning. See ערב for the related Hebrew stem indicating “pledge.”

1,086 posted on 05/04/2015 7:49:48 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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