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To: paladinan; MHGinTN
at one time I belonged to a works based religion (WBR) that will remain un named

If you'll pardon the interjection: if you'd only joined the Catholic Church, you wouldn't ever need to worry about belonging to a "works-based religion"; the Catholic Church condemned Pelagianism at the Council of Ephesus, over 1000 years before Luther was born.

LOL, the works based religion (WBR) I was in, WAS the Roman Catholic Church. MHG knew exactly what I meant. 😇😂😎 I am not into WBRs no matter if they think God saves 95% and they save 5% of themselves, and stop the Luther fixation. I am not positive what Luther believed and I don't follow him. I am sure Luther would roll over in his grave if he knew some people took his name and started a religious denomination with it. You can believe whatever you like. Have a nice eternity. Maybe I will see you at the pearly gates. 🇵🇭😃😀😄

693 posted on 04/30/2015 2:42:56 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forever more endure.)
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To: Mark17
I am sure Luther would roll over in his grave if he knew some people took his name and started a religious denomination with it.

He was alive at the time when the Catholics named it Lutheranism in an attempt to discredit the same.

699 posted on 04/30/2015 3:17:36 PM PDT by xone
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To: Mark17
LOL, the works based religion (WBR) I was in, WAS the Roman Catholic Church. MHG knew exactly what I meant.

Then you didn't have a good understanding of it while you were in it, FRiend. The Catholic Church is not a "works-based" religion, in the least; it's absolutely impossible for any human to "work" his way into Heaven (as if he somehow had some "right" to "earn" Heaven by mere human efforts); every faithful and well-informed Catholic knows that, and this has been taught by the Catholic Church for 200 years.

I am not into WBRs

Nor am I. That's my point: your portrayal of the Catholic Church is rather severely warped... as a glance at the Catechism of the Catholic Church (and, perhaps, a willingness not to sneer at "all things Catholic" simply out of emotional bias and revulsion) could easily tell you.

no matter if they think God saves 95% and they save 5% of themselves,

Good grief. Do you see, now, why I say that your portrayal of the Catholic Church is distorted? The very idea of "5% (or any % above zero) saving themselves" is imaginary nonsense! Where do you get that sort of idea, anyway? Was it from those who hate the Catholic Church, and who want to tarnish Her? It certainly wasn't from any true Catholic teaching...

and stop the Luther fixation. I am not positive what Luther believed and I don't follow him.

I have no "Luther fixation"; I mention him only because he was one of the main progenitors of the errors of "sola Scriptura", "sola fide", and other such unbiblical bits of nonsense which form the basis of Protestantism (and of all non-Catholic fundamentalist divisions who have inherited those errors). To the extent that you believe "sola Scriptura" and "sola fide", you most certainly ARE following Luther, though you might be doing so unwittingly.

Have a nice eternity. Maybe I will see you at the pearly gates.

:) I certainly hope so! Pray for me, and I'll pray for you, to that end!
787 posted on 05/01/2015 7:33:53 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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