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To: CynicalBear
No, it doesn't. Israel is Israel and has NOT been superseded by some other group.

Romans 11:11-24 says otherwise.

I said "to all generations". That may not include all people withing each generation so it's NOT "all people at all times".

Well that's about a convenient and meaningless a statement as I've seen. The Israelites were in bondage for 400 years and did not have the word of God. Just how long are your generations?

Don't be absurd. Amos 8 was fulfilled when Jesus was rejected by the Jews. They have been "hardened in part" and don't see God's word just as Amos prophesied.

Honestly that made me laugh. I've seen some gymnastics with the wording before, but that's a new low.

The Jews were not seeking the Gospel after Jesus' death. Again your theorycraft does not match up to real world history or situations.

Amos was specific. People would be seeking all over the world for the word of God and can not find it. He says it's a famine. Meaning it's not there. Just like food or water. A famine doesn't mean the food is there but it's hidden...it never grew.

Famines end. The Jews aren't in a famine, they will reject Jesus until the very last. And again, they aren't seeking anything and never have.

Your analogy doesn't fit the real world and can't possibly be true.

The only people after Jesus that were seeking the word of God, who were grafted into to Israel and therefore apart of Israel are the Christians.

Now, do you think God can keep His promise? Or are you going to try to twist even His words as you did mine?

God always keeps His promises, I've never said otherwise. But men don't. I have in the passed referred to what you're doing as "The Evangelical Wash Cycle".

It's an amazing phenomenon. I've watched people do it for years. They get to these black holes that should raise a red flag....but NOPE! They just spin it in the wash cycle and they get something like "When was it that God said His word would be to all generations?" an appeal to the time line.

The hallmark of the wash cycle is how the user twists and mangles the scripture so that it doesn't point at them. Notice how you stated that Amos 8 is NOT talking about you...because?

The very best use of the appeal to time line was a couple years ago on this very forum. I pointed out that Abraham, whom God said was perfect, had at least two wives. In comes the EWC and the poster said to me "God hadn't told Abraham not to commit adultery yet!" VIOLA!! Instant fix.

God just hadn't told Abraham not to do it yet... wow....just wow.

I point out the many verses about being judged for your works. EWC!! spin spin spin.... out comes "Believers aren't judged only the sinners." VIOLA!!! It can't be pointed at you because....you're not getting judged, other people are, but not you.

Funny thing is, all of your responses and theirs, make no sense in real world application. None. They don't fit together with any other scriptures or just common sense.

But it helps you talk yourself into believing it and repeat it with a straight face.
714 posted on 05/18/2015 5:28:07 PM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper
>>Romans 11:11-24 says otherwise.<<

Romans 11 says no such thing. Israel is not the root and Gentiles did NOT replace branches or become part of the original branches. We have become part of Christ NOT part of Israel. God is not finished with political Israel. He is currently bringing them back to the land of promise and will deal with them during the last seven years of the 490 years promised them in Daniel's prophecies.

>>Well that's about a convenient and meaningless a statement as I've seen.<<

That doesn't surprise me. Thinking that all generations means every person in every generation would cause some confusion for sure.

>>The Israelites were in bondage for 400 years and did not have the word of God.<<

Didn't have God's word? Prove it.

>>The Jews were not seeking the Gospel after Jesus' death.<<

Were/are the Jews still looking for their Messiah or not?

>>The Jews aren't in a famine, they will reject Jesus until the very last.<<

Romans 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."

>>And again, they aren't seeking anything and never have.<<

Romans 11:7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

Did you even read the entire chapter cherry picked verses from?

>>who were grafted into to Israel and therefore apart of Israel are the Christians.<<

Gentiles aren't grafted into Israel. Israel is a branch NOT the tree. Christ is the root, the tree is faithful believers whether Jew or Gentile. The Gentile branches have been grafted in and the Israelites will once again be grafted back in during the time of Jacobs trouble aka the tribulation.

>>I have in the passed referred to<<

You can make up whatever story you want and refer to it but it ain't scripture so means nothing to me.

715 posted on 05/19/2015 5:48:37 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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