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To: sauropod
>>My understanding is that God has chosen those who will be saved before the creation of the world.<<

There surely is enough evidence to believe that. I would say that if anyone thinks that somehow man controls whether he is saved or not by his actions or works is claiming that man deserves salvation by his actions.

8 posted on 05/17/2015 6:31:47 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
There surely is enough evidence to believe that. I would say that if anyone thinks that somehow man controls whether he is saved or not by his actions or works is claiming that man deserves salvation by his actions.

Well; if a person believes this; it's NOT because of something he read in the bible!


It's always a LACK OF FAITH that does them in.

33 posted on 05/17/2015 3:40:38 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
I would say that if anyone thinks that somehow man controls whether he is saved or not by his actions or works is claiming that man deserves salvation by his actions.

Not to nitpick, but actions are not the same as works. Jesus said, "Choose." Jesus said, "Believe." Choosing and believing are acts of will.

Choosing to receive a gift freely offered is not a work that makes you deserving of the gift, else the gift is not free to begin with.

249 posted on 05/19/2015 7:38:51 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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