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To: CynicalBear; daniel1212
I don’t think your Acts 3 passage works for you like you would think. Peter wasn’t telling them the Jesus died for their sins. He told them He suffered just as their prophets had told them and that they needed to change that their sins may be forgiven just as they had been told throughout the Old Testament. And then look at verse 20 “and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus”. That he may “send the Messiah”? Peter was still talking about Jesus coming back as King and ruler in Israel.

Acts 3:

17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

The elements are all there, as Paul also confirms in 1 Corinthians 15. That the Christ was crucified, died, risen. Then the key words of "so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord."

How is that a kingdom gospel?

If Peter and the 11 preached only the kingdom gospel and Paul the Gospel of Grace, then at what point did Peter and the 11 shift from the kingdom message and take up the grace message?

Also, at what point did Paul cease teaching or preaching the kingdom gospel?

If Peter and the 11 preached a kingdom gospel on Pentecost what is it based on? The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ or promises of furthering the Law of Moses?

I also know you to be a man who studies God's Word. How many times do we correct people on this site for picking out pet theologies based on one or a few passages from a historical book as in Acts? Theologians consider Acts a historical recording of the events of the early church. My point is, if one wants to see what Peter preached in detail to Jews and Gentiles, they should look at his epistles. As many here keep quoting Paul's epistles, we should do the same for Peter.

1 Peter 1:

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. 10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12 To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.

Frankly, the above looks to be an expanded version of Peter's sermon in Acts 3. All the elements are there. In 1 Peter 1, Peter is teaching. In Acts 3 he is preaching. Luke is recording a historical event. He faithfully enters the key elements of the Christ's gospel message in Luke 24 in Peter's Acts 3 speech. Historians truncate, or telescope events to address key points.

514 posted on 05/27/2015 8:34:02 AM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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To: redleghunter; daniel1212; smvoice
>>How is that a kingdom gospel?<<

Once again you forgot to read on to verse 20.

Acts 3:20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,

See there? "that He may send Jesus". Wasn't Jesus already sent? Still Peter is talking about "may send Jesus"? Let's look back and put that with verse 19.

Acts 3:19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,

Think about that. Peter is talking to them after the death and resurrection of Jesus. Yet he makes the comment "may send"? And that "times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord"? He's talking about when Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom after the tribulation. That's when the Jews will see "times of refreshing from the presence of the Lord".

>>then at what point did Peter and the 11 shift from the kingdom message and take up the grace message?<<

I don't think Peter and the 11 ever really "shifted" did they? Their focus was always on the Jews/Israel and the coming time when Jesus would set up His Kingdom. Now that's not to say they didn't also preach grace as Peter did mention in his sermon at Pentecost but look at his words in Acts 2 starting with verse 17.

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: The phrase "in the last days" is talking about the time of the tribulation after the "church" has been taking out of the world and God is once again dealing with the nation of Israel prior to Jesus setting up His "Kingdom" on earth.

>>Also, at what point did Paul cease teaching or preaching the kingdom gospel?<<

Paul didn't "cease preaching the kingdom gospel". He was the one who differentiated between the "dispensation" of grace" and the attention again being given the people of Israel after "the fullness of the Gentiles".

I want to point out a couple of statements in your referenced passage from 1 Peter 1.

"reserved in heaven for you"

What's "reserved in heaven"? Isn't it Jesus who will return to set up His kingdom on earth for 1000 years?

"ready to be revealed in the last time"

Again, that "revealed in the last time". That's again referencing the time Israel turns to Christ just prior to Him setting up His kingdom on earth.

"the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow"

What "glories that would follow? Isn't the the glories that will be given the saved Jews/Israelites at the end of time with their King and Messiah sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem?

534 posted on 05/27/2015 9:51:26 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: redleghunter
My point is, if one wants to see what Peter preached in detail to Jews and Gentiles, they should look at his epistles. As many here keep quoting Paul's epistles, we should do the same for Peter.

No...Those things in the epistles of Peter were not revealed to Peter at Pentecost...

596 posted on 05/27/2015 8:17:07 PM PDT by Iscool
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