BREAKING: Pope takes major step toward formal heresy

https://harvestingthefruit.com/breaking-pope-takes-major-step-toward-formal-heresy/ ^

[piusv]

"I feel like saying something that may sound controversial or even heretical. But there is someone who knows that despite our differences we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he that is persecuting Christians today; he who is anointing us with the blood of martyrdom, knows that Christians are disciples of Christ. That we are one, that we are brothers! He doesn't care if they are Evangelicals, Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic. He doesn't care! They are Christians."

[cookcounty]

"He is stating that all Christians are “one”.

Well, he's right about this. Obvious NT teaching.

The term "Christian" has several different definitions. At the heart of things, being "Christian" is not the same as being a member of a particular religious organization. They may be related overlapping categories, but not interchangeable. There are Catholics who are not Christians and there are Baptists who are not Christians.

[NKP_Vet]

Not easy living according to the tenants of the faith and not easy being Catholic when protestants and muslims have been trying to destroy the faith for hundreds of years.

[StormPrepper]

However, Romans 5:10 does note we are enemies of God prior to being reconciled to Him. There is no age limit on this.

Romans 5 is profound and pretty amazing actually. I appreciate the Catholics for preserving it as long as they did so that we might have it.

I don't fault you for not completely understanding what Paul's saying here. You've only allowed yourself to view a few letters written to some people who died 2000 yrs ago to be your only source for all matter pertaining to God.

With that limited view you can't possibly come to a knowledge of the truth.

Romans 5:
17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

What Paul is saying is that because of the original sin of the one man or Adam, which caused all people to die, through the righteousness of one, or Jesus Christ, life is brought to man as a free gift. All men.

The original sin of Adam is done away by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and is a free gift to all.

Paul taught the same thing to the people at Corinth:
1 Cor 15:
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

The original sin of Adam is done away by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Therefore, we are born clean. We are not sinners, until we actually sin.

Romans 5:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Although I can find this in more detail in other places I find it interesting Paul would mentions it here. If there is no law then there is no sin. Therefore if God doesn't apply the law to you, you cannot break the law, therefore you have not sinned. Which is the case with little children. They are not capable of breaking any laws of God. Therefore they have not sinned and are not enemies to God.

I of course have more than the Bible to call upon to get a correct understanding.

I put Paul's writings with those of Moroni in the Book of Mormon and I get a clear understanding.
Moroni 8:12
10 Behold I say unto you that this thing shall ye teach—repentance and baptism unto those who are accountable and capable of committing sin; yea, teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, and humble themselves as their little children, and they shall all be saved with their little children.

11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.

12 But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!

God loves little Children and condemns no one to hell just for being born. This is part of the plan of God and the miracle of the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

[RnMomof7]

Engagements and wedding banns used to be posted in newspapers, church bulletins, and within and outside the church. There was a waiting period so anyone who objected could speak up. They even built that part into the ceremony.
Conclusion: Yes, Virginia, there are impediments to marriage that may not be evident at the time. Priests can't read minds, or we wouldn't need auricular Confession. But that's another thread! God bless you!

So after say 25years of marriage, a few kids it comes to light God never considered them married..

Foolishness...just a way around the churches stand on divorce.. more hocus pocus ...

Just show us where Jesus or any apostle read Gods mind and decided that people were not married IN HIS EYES

Geee Joseph could have gotten an annulment according to Romanist doctrine

[piusv]

You mean the teachings that contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church prior to 1960? Like false unity and false ecumenism?

[ealgeone]

What with all the stuff Catholics have to do? It’s a wonder.

[RnMomof7]

I don't think the Church teaches that, but, since the Church does not and never has believed or taught a "chapter and verse" standard, it makes no difference whether or not it is written down.

Except when it serves their doctrine right? The rest is make it up as ya go along

[piusv]

I am talking about the general rule. Yes, those in invincible ignorance can be saved, but they are not saved BY their invincible ignorance. Pius IX is not contradicting Eugene IV. He is not speaking of the general rule (which is one must be Catholic to be saved).

The point of this thread (and the reason why I brought Pope Eugene's teaching into it) is that, according to Francis (and quite frankly MANY Catholics on this board), anyone who is Christian (Catholic or not) are the same: all Christians will be saved even if they are not Catholic...regardless of whether they are invincibly ignorant or not.

To believe that all Christians are saved (barring true invincible ignorance) is not Catholic teaching and never was.

[RnMomof7]

The CCC gives the blueprint to be the best Christian you can be. If someone does not have the intestinal fortitude to live the faith it’s their own fault. Like I said before being Catholic is not for sissies.

Neither was being a Pharisee

Mat5 :20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 20:46 "Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets.

Jesus called them "white washed tombs "(luke11)

Catholic works and rituals have no eternal benefit..

[piusv]

So I’m guessing you’re now admitting that Pope Eugene’s comments are infallible. Compare his comments with Francis’ comments. One is Catholic; the other is not.

[ealgeone]

I dismiss the false writings of Joseph smith as should all Christians.

[RnMomof7]

One further thing I'd like to add. A catholic fella I work with gave me a small statue of Joseph to plant in my front yard during the sell of my home. I still have it, more out of novelty. Gave me a chuckle.

Hocus Pocus.. witchcraft amulets..

[ealgeone]

I have catholic friends who tell me for the right price an annulment is fairly easy to obtain.

[RnMomof7]

https://carm.org/pelagianism

[StormPrepper]

I dismiss the false writings of Joseph smith as should all Christians.

Isn't free agency great! Freedom is a wonderful thing.

After reading my post, do you still feel that little babies are enemies to God?

[StormPrepper]

https://carm.org/pelagianism

Pelgius didn't teach that original sin was removed by Jesus Christ. He said it never effected anyone but Adam. So, what's your point?

[ealgeone]

I refer back to my original answer to you on this question.

[StormPrepper]

I refer back to my original answer to you on this question.

Christian Post

Evangelical Ministry

Christianity today

Do you consider these Christians to be teaching false doctrine?

[piusv]

Oh and the people of the Old Testament is separate from those after Christ when baptism was required. In the abode of the dead, Christ Himself preached the Gospel and saved the just who came before Him were dead.

[Grateful2God]

I have folks in my own family who won’t get an annulment because of the stipend; the disclosure; the paperwork; an uncooperative spouse; or that the civil divorce was enough to go through. If you mean throw some money under the altar, so to speak, yes there is a cost, but the canon lawyers and the tribunal don’t make it easy. Can I speak for every diocese? No. Unfortunately, there are bad apples in every barrel. But, frankly, some people who think nothing of shelling out tens of thousands for a country club membership; hundreds every month for the mani-pedis, hairdos, cosmetics and cosmetic procedures, fancy restaurants, gambling, expensive clothes, shoes and accessories, etc. ad infinitum, don’t want to pay the stipend. Different priorities. Not bad people, just different priorities. It’s up to God to judge in the end.