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To: SpirituTuo
I am talking about the general rule. Yes, those in invincible ignorance can be saved, but they are not saved BY their invincible ignorance. Pius IX is not contradicting Eugene IV. He is not speaking of the general rule (which is one must be Catholic to be saved).

The point of this thread (and the reason why I brought Pope Eugene's teaching into it) is that, according to Francis (and quite frankly MANY Catholics on this board), anyone who is Christian (Catholic or not) are the same: all Christians will be saved even if they are not Catholic...regardless of whether they are invincibly ignorant or not.

To believe that all Christians are saved (barring true invincible ignorance) is not Catholic teaching and never was.

408 posted on 05/28/2015 1:17:58 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
To believe that all Christians are saved (barring true invincible ignorance) is not Catholic teaching and never was.

If you're a Christian, you're saved.

If you're not saved, you're not a Christian.

One of the biggest lies going is the one that you can be a committed follower of Christ and be saved, and still go to hell when you die.

If you go to hell when you die, you were never saved to begin with because hell is what we're saved from.

If you were saved and go to hell when you die, could someone please explain to me then, just what are or were you saved from, that you use the term?

432 posted on 05/28/2015 4:30:31 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: piusv

OK, that makes sense, and I agree with your point.

My only remark would be, and its my opinion, that the Pope was trying to say ISIS and the like will just as happily kill a Methodist as a Lutheran, as a Catholic. In that sense, we are all the same, non-Muslims.


435 posted on 05/28/2015 4:43:23 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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