Posted on 06/04/2015 6:28:34 AM PDT by RnMomof7
And we should care about the opinions of man over the word of God for what reason?
Just what are those traditions that Catholics claim have been orally passed down from the apostles?
How can you be sure that they are indeed from Paul?
How do you know they’ve been faithfully paased down with no change?
Please proof of your claim and provide documentation to support your claim
You disagree and stay or leave.
Did you get this from STA??
15 But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.
17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
It's the same as we do here on FR; but a bit more private.
First; determine as to whether the P/E disagrees with the churches/denomination's PUBLISHED stand on the matter.
If they match; you AIN'T gonna win!
Second; we sit down and examine where we disagree and WHY.
Who knows?
You might be holding the minority opinion on the matter in that church.
Remember:
2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
(I doubt that 'tradition' has been given this supreme standard; but who knows.)
Els, I was attending a church in Fairfield, CA some years ago. There was a youth pastor, who I thought was pretty cool. Suddenly, him, his wife, his brother and his parents just disappeared. After a few months, I finally asked the pastor what happened to all of them. He said they were asked to leave, over a MAJOR doctrinal difference. They did not accept the deity of Christ. They thought he was just a mere man, and they would not budge on it. For a minute, I thought I was in the INC. They don’t accept it either. You talk about the tares among the wheat.
No.
They've been SHOWN the Matt 16:18 thing over and over.
No cranial leakage noted.
I guess only their “traditions” count.
No not yet..I am looking for a scriptural source for this thought..
Like the Trinity it is there ..
But what amazes me that Romanists love to chew on this bone when 75% of RC beliefs are not scriptural
“I am looking for a scriptural source for this thought.”
Who is not with me is against me (Luke, xi, 23); and if he will not hear the Church let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican (Matt., xviii, 17); he that believeth not shall be condemned (Mark, xvi, 16). The Apostles acted upon their Masters directions. All the weight of their own Divine faith and mission is brought to bear upon innovators. If any one, says St. Paul, preach to you a gospel, besides that you have received, let him be anathema (Gal., i, 9). To St. John the heretic is a seducer, an antichrist, a man who dissolves Christ (I John, iv, 3; II John, 7); receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you (II John, 10). St. Peter, true to his office and to his impetuous nature, assails them as with a two-edged sword: ... lying teachers who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
So, in your church, if you have a disagreement with your preacher or elder on a faith matter...What do you do?
“It’s the same as we do here on FR; but a bit more private.
First; determine as to whether the P/E disagrees with the churches/denomination’s PUBLISHED stand on the matter...”
And this is why since the 1500s, the Protestants have been in a constant state of schism, devolving and falling away, disunited from Christ’s Church, breaking up into thousands of disparate pieces. There is no argument on their part for being “...one, holy, catholic and apostolic church”.
The Bible claims to be the sole and sufficient rule of faith for the Christian Church. The Scriptures are not in need of any supplement. Their authority comes from their nature as God-breathed revelation. Their authority is not dependent upon man, Church or council. The Scriptures are self-consistent, self-interpreting, and self-authenticating. The Christian Church looks at the Scriptures as the only and sufficient rule of faith and the Church is always subject to the Word, and is constantly reformed thereby.
GREAT please show us this definition in the Bible along with chapter and verse.
BTW thank you for FINALLY giving James white credit for this definition.
Oh?
And this is why since 33AD, the Catholics have been in a constant state of schism, devolving and falling away, disunited from Christ; breaking up into GOD only knows disparate pieces.
How do you know that the new testament scriptures and books which were handed down to you by the Catholic church were done faithfully and without corruption?????same way....you take their word for it.
Why would we do that??....we wrote the words in the first place.
The story of the Nativity is in the Bible, Bethlehem, no room at the inn, manger in a stable, angels singing on high, shepherds milling about.etc. etc..
As in "TAKE AND EAT, THIS IS MY BODY" and someone saying that isn't what He meant
Like that you mean???
The story of the Nativity is in the Bible, Bethlehem, no room at the inn, manger in a stable, angels singing on high, shepherds milling about.etc. etc..
who do you think narrated that story to the evangelists, Mary or Joseph??....They were the only 2 people on Earth who could have.......and when???
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