Posted on 06/04/2015 6:28:34 AM PDT by RnMomof7
You are ignoring that sola scriptura is not scriptural. This is because it refutes itself. This is foundational to the very core of lies that is protestantism.
The point must be deflected away from, as nobody has a substantive answer, and it rocks protestantism to its very core.
On the other hand, Christ’s Church is one, holy, catholic and apostolic. Compared the the many, vain, divided and rejecting of Truth breakaways.
No; it does not.
I do; however; applaud your dogmatism.
LOL...And I, yours.
Els, I was under the impression that you had PHD in guessing. Maybe I was mistaken. 😂😇😱😎😆
“For as many as are of God and of Jesus Christ are also with the bishop. And as many as shall, in the exercise of repentance, return into the unity of the Church, these, too, shall belong to God, that they may live according to Jesus Christ. Do not err, my brethren. If any man follows him that makes a schism in the Church, he shall not inherit the kingdom of God. If any one walks according to a strange opinion, he agrees not with the passion [of Christ.]”
Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Philadelphians,3(A.D. 110),in ANF,3:80
It was in dot connecting
In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.
1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.
I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.
Ezra Taft Benson
(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University) http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng
Can you be more clear in your pinging me to your selection of LDS text?
Could you give the scriptural foundation Ignatius used for this ??
Part of the reason I commented (and I tend to do this no matter what the subject) is that there IS no way to prove an “we/they always this, whereas they/we always that” assertion. These RF threads often go on for thousands of comments because people put a great deal of effort into proving their Doctrine, but it does ultimately come down to making a choice regarding what you will believe.
Scripture is truth and by being the very breathed out by the Holy Spirit word of God, it is inherently authoritative.
God Himself tells us that it is adequate for thoroughly equipping the man of God for every good work.
Catholics say this isn’t so.
Someone is right and someone is wrong and I’m throwing my lot in with God.
I know men can lie and God can’t.
So Catholics can repeat the lie of the enemy all they want by questioning what God really said, but it isn’t going to end well for people who insist that God is lying.
Excellent post.
People should mark it as a benchmark. It explains Sola Scriptura. It justifies Sola Scriptura.
The keywords to me are “thoroughly equipping.” Nothing else is necessary. The “good work” is the work of the “doulos” (the servant or slave who has been redeemed or bought with a price) and it follows the faithful trust in what God has already done: He sent His Son to pay the price we could not afford.
Good works do not justify us. We are bankrupt. Jesus Christ did everything for us. We are made righteous because of the righteousness of Christ.
That is the gospel. That is the truth. That is the very essence of what we need to know. It is the underlying story of the entirety of scripture. It is the story of God’s love for us.
If I add to it (or worse change it), then I am saying God’s Word is inadequate and insufficient. I am carving my own image of God and I am placing myself above him.
“Could you give the scriptural foundation Ignatius used for this ? “
” 2 Thessalonians 2:15, “Stand firm, and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.”
“1 Thessalonians 2:13: “And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God...”
Here we see Paul putting oral tradition on the same level as written tradition. It seems such a leap for many modern day Christians, but when you think about it, our first Christians had Jesus Christ first, then the Church, then the Bible. So, it many spiritual sense as it is commanded of us and logical sense.
So, in your church, if you have a disagreement with your preacher or elder on a faith matter...What do you do?
no
If I did not agree with their plan of salvation, I wouldn't be in that church in the first place. If I disagree with them on such things as finances, or the menu for the Thanksgiving dinner, we simply confrontat them, and try to work things out.
If any man follows him that makes a schism in the Church, he shall not inherit the kingdom of God. If any one walks according to a strange opinion, he agrees not with the passion [of Christ.]”
I don't think you will get a response mom, because there isn't one.
“if any man follows him that makes a schism in the Church, he shall not inherit the kingdom of God. If any one walks according to a strange opinion, he agrees not with the passion [of Christ.]”
The other Scripture was related more to the root of error. This Scripture is related directly. Now, I have responded specifically.
Your answer was non-responsive to my question. What do you do in your faith, if you have a disagreement with your preacher regarding serious matters of faith??
“Who is not with me is against me” (Luke, xi, 23); “and if he will not hear the Church let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican” (Matt., xviii, 17); “he that believeth not shall be condemned” (Mark, xvi, 16). The Apostles acted upon their Master’s directions. All the weight of their own Divine faith and mission is brought to bear upon innovators. “If any one”, says St. Paul, “preach to you a gospel, besides that you have received, let him be anathema” (Gal., i, 9). To St. John the heretic is a seducer, an antichrist, a man who dissolves Christ (I John, iv, 3; II John, 7); “receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you” (II John, 10). St. Peter, true to his office and to his impetuous nature, assails them as with a two-edged sword: “... lying teachers who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
BTTT, brother, you speak the truth.
IOW, follow the church or go to hell.
That’s not what Jesus taught.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.