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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; metmom; Elsie
It's an interesting challenge: Find "evidence" of two "assertions".

The first: When we are challenged to support sS, we do it.
o Not hard to find evidence. There are a few posts right in THIS very thread. I'll point you to them if need be. You can get to them easily because they follow the principle that scripture is quoted. Look for quoted scripture.

By the way, if you want to take the "different interpretations" route, I welcome it. That is usually a charge that is made but hardly ever explored.
I welcome that challenge because I WANT to understand how to interpret scripture correctly. If anyone brings something that could change my interpretation (through proper hermeneutics), then I'M GOOD WITH THAT! But I will not explore the use of apocrypha. If this disturbs you, just don't respond.

The second: When Catholics are challenged to support sacred tradition, all we get is Crickets.
o Here's where the challenge is. The "evidence" given usually is an article of faith, as in this:

I choose the Catholic church with all of its sacraments, traditions, saints, devotions, universality, teachings, readings and anything else I want to through in there. I believe that the Catholic church was the one founded by Christ himself, I believe in the true presence in Christ in the Eucharist, I believe in the forgiveness of sins in the confessional, I believe in a hell and purgatory, I actually believe more people go to hell then heaven. I can choose to believe or not private revelations of Marian apparitions. Which I do believe the church approved apparitions of Fatima and Lourdes and her messages to pray for world peace. I believe Mary has her place in God's plan of salvation, and that is to lead everyone to heaven. I believe God wants us to pray for the world, and the rosary is a good means to do that. I believe Protestants are the ones who have been deceived by satan, just look at the fruits that have been produced, 30,000+ different denominations. He has done a great job of blinding the truth and deceiving many into the belief that Christ's true church is false. I will stay right where I am, in the one, universal, catholic and apostolic church of the Catholic Faith. No matter what happens on the outside, the truth of the faith will remain the same now and forever.

Another:

Again, you should thank the Catholic Church for following sacred tradition and preserving the Bible so that you can read it and dispute the words of God that you do not agree with.

Here, a poster made a challenge:

Please prove that what the Catholic Church teaches as "tradition" is exactly what the apostles were teaching that they called tradition. If you cannot we must understand that the Catholic Church teaches "another gospel" and is to be considered accursed.

Here's the response:

No replies.

I admit, I threw that in for fun. You could probably find many examples where a Christian is asked to prove sS and you get crickets. That's why I said at the top that you made an interesting challenge - to find "evidence" for the two assertions.

There's "evidence" of failure to provide "evidence" for both allegations to be found, I'm sure. This is easy to understand. A challenging post is missed. The other side has grown weary of responding. For me, I sometimes realize that I am very close to sin - so I repent from a bad attitude and back off.

I think the general rule is that Christians use scripture to defend scripture and Catholics use tradition to defend tradition. Both are acting out of faith.

I believe Scripture is perfect. My understanding may be flawed (but it is always getting BETTER.)

I believe man is inherently flawed - and to rely on the traditions of men is risky business.

...sorry I rambled on.

52 posted on 06/05/2015 6:42:58 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: kinsman redeemer
I think the general rule is that Christians use scripture to defend scripture and Catholics use tradition to defend tradition. Both are acting out of faith.

...and anti-Catholics, even when moving into an earnest-sounding post, still manage to worm in such screed as "Catholics are not Christians". Classy.

It's a shame that RnMomof7's most active anti-Catholic thread was pulled; there was some real progress (some of which would have satisfied your request, above), and that whittles her anti-Catholic threads down to... well... [x-1], I guess... :)
54 posted on 06/05/2015 9:34:06 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: kinsman redeemer

Part of the reason I commented (and I tend to do this no matter what the subject) is that there IS no way to prove an “we/they always this, whereas they/we always that” assertion. These RF threads often go on for thousands of comments because people put a great deal of effort into proving their Doctrine, but it does ultimately come down to making a choice regarding what you will believe.


90 posted on 06/06/2015 10:20:04 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Cruz or lose!)
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