The Tribulation, I have a couple for my FRiends.

VANITY ^ | 6/9/2015 | Stockpirate

[stockpirate]

My questions pertain to the tribulation they are as follows:

1. If there is a rapture, does it happen before or after people start receiving the mark of the beast?

2. If before is there some event that happens prior to receiving the mark of the beast?

I'm not looking to debate if there is or isn't a rapture, just where in the progression of events people are forced to receive the mark of the beast and we move to a cashless world.

[huldah1776]

It is deception.

[MHGinTN]

Your answer is in the third chapter of the Revelation. It is also hidden in a few OT prophetic books, but that is a lengthy study.

A short answer from reason relates to the Promise to the Church at Philadelphia, to be saved from the hour of testing, nit just the testing. The Mark of the beast will be a hallmark of the world AFTER the Church is gone and the restrainer removed from satan's path. The Tribulation is about Israel, not The Church.

[grumpa]

I answer all your questions in several articles here:

http://prophecyquestions.com/2014/02/01/articles-by-charles-meek/

[MHGinTN]

The Rapture is an event in which God will give new bodies to dead Christians and then with the alive in Christ His Spirit will make a resonance which ONLY souls with the Holy Spirit seal can receive, to transform them all in a moment in the twinkling of an eye to be gathered in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and then go with Him to His Father’s House. This event will prove to so many Catholics and other religions familiar with scriptures that they have been in error and will possibly turn their hearts to the Truth of Christ just before a great blindness settles over all humanity, so dark that 144,000 Jews seal from twelve tribes of Israel will be evangelizing during the seven years that follow.

[golux]

Oh Hi Jan! Of course as a real Jew I too recognize the sovereignty of Jesus of Nazareth and eschew all fundamental Jewish principles. Heck, isn't everyone as Jewish or Christian as anyone else, as long as the Holy Truth is proclaimed? Don't be fooled by Torah study, circumcision, Bar Mitzvah, daily worship, and all the trappings oof the heathen. All you need is "Yeshua!"

[MHGinTN]

I'm sorry but you are spreading a falsehood. The discussions of the Rapture date to the earliest Church Histories, not to the nineteenth century. Here is a partial list of sources:

Epistle of Barnabus 100AD
Against Heresies Irenaeus 2nd Century
Dialogue With Trypho - Justin Martyr
Ephraem The Syrian (373 AD)
The Approaching Deliverance of the Church - Peter Jurieu 687

There is actually a long list of dialogues and discussion on the Rapture of The Church. Try to be current when you deride a thing displayed in the Scriptures.

[golux]

(Not to exclude any other gods, Jan. Your call, of course. Thanks for the advice! Cognizant of the flaws in my family’s ancient faith and of course my inability to make decisions based on my life of religious schooling: Please forward any more info on whom I should worship, and pray for my sad soul ‘til I embrace your god/gods!)

[SkyPilot]

You are correct the Satan is the “god” of this world and the prince of the air. The Bible also says he roams, like a hungry lion, seeking someone to devour. However, Satan is not yet completely cast out of heaven. In the Book of Job he reports back to God in heaven, standing before Him. God asks Satan where he has been, ans Satan answers going to and from upon the earth. Satan will someday be permanently thrown out of heaven, and then will be chained and cast into prison for 1,000 years.

[MHGinTN]

If you attack a man of God, better post your proof not the railings of some apostate. Show me where John MacArthur promotes that A Christian will take the mark of the beast. You cannot because John MacArthur has been teaching for decades that The Church —that’s the actual Christians, the Bride of Christ, The Body of Christ— will be Raptured BEFORE the man of sin saunters across your tv screen. Now, if you can post a video link where John says what you claim, I will debate him on it.

[golux]

Plus, as long as everything is up for grabs, why shouldn’t I go with Mohammed? Have you read Koran? Probably not. Anyway that MF believed in Jesus, went up and took his freakin’ HORSE!How can you argue with that?

[Lee N. Field]

Well, as a resident Jew, I want you to know that I wish you all the very best, and if it doesn’t turn out well you can come hang out with me and my bad ass Sikh buddies who tell the funniest Moslem jokes.

I'm not expecting to be transporter beamed out in the nick of Tribulation. I have a hobby of trying (mostly futily) to get my dispensational co-religionists to at least examine their presuppositions.

[Jan_Sobieski]

A quick search on Google will give you hundreds of references to Macarthur’s comments on the Mark. Look it up!

[MHGinTN]

The messiah of Islam is the figure of Christian antichrist. The Mahdi is their messiah, the twelfth imammy. The Islamic scriptures speak of ‘the true Jesus’ not dying and being buried and rising from the dead, but instead he will come back to earth when the Mahdi rises and the Islamic jesus will testify that the Mahdi is the rue messiah. If you want to make jokes about religions, at lest read the backgrounders so you don’t make a fool of yourself while trying to paint others as foolish.

[MHGinTN]

You have made a grievous error and it behooves you to look carefully at what John has been teaching for decades. CHRISTIAN will not be here after the Rapture, so there are no Christians taking the mark of the beast. John has been teaching the pre-trib Rapture for longer than you have been reading scriptures, apparently. There will be people saved during the Tribulation, but they will not be part of the Bride of Christ, The true Church, The Body of Christ. Study if you want to show yourself ‘approved’.

[sasportas]

You don't believe in a rapture? What about the classic verses on this, 1 Thess. 4:16,17? Would you please explain these verses? Since this is your thread, I think you are obligated to do so.

1 Thess. 4;16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[MHGinTN]

Here’s a short click of John speaking on the issue. NOTE PLEASE he does not say CHRISTIANS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwaiH-LhVpA

[agrarianlady]

Oh, stop it. You will spoil their escapism.

My friend is the son of a Presbyterian minister who was stuck in a small Baptist high school. His favorite line to the other kids was, "when you're raptured, can I have your car?"

[MHGinTN]

And here is a link to an article which might help you, too:

http://www.gty.org/resources/Blog/B131030

[Redcitizen]

Good luck with that brilliant theory.

Let’s have you defend your position by you explaining the finished work on the cross.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Thank you for the articles. I will read them. John is not the only one saying this. Brannon Howse and Jimmy Deyoung are saying this, as well as many charismaniacs (TV preacher) types and Hyper-Calvinists. So the leaven has made its way through the entire loaf. I am not in error for calling them out. They are the ones who must respond...which they have NOT done to clear this heresy which is preparing Christians to be damned in hell!