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To: RnMomof7

“You have given no posts were the apostles HEARD confessions and FORGAVE their sin...because there are none.”

Let me remind you of your own words:

1) “What is interesting is there is NO RECORD of the apostles ever hearing confessions..”

Yet I showed you an Apostle saying he forgave someone in 2 Cor 2:10.

2) “And there were no individual confessions in the early church either until 1214 ...”

I pointed out you couldn’t even get the date right for your incorrect conclusion.

3) “So it appears that neither the apostles nor the ECF thought they could “forgive sin””

Except that I showed there were ECFs that did write about private confessions.

“Not in the PLACE OF CHRIST..”

PERSON of Christ, not PLACE. Again, just like with “1214”, you make an error which suggests you don’t even really know what you’re attacking. http://www.ourladyofloreto.org/RCIA/03_DOCTRINES/in_persona_christi.pdf

Anti-Catholicism: lead paint chips for the Protestant mind.


52 posted on 06/12/2015 4:16:42 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Yet I showed you an Apostle saying he forgave someone in 2 Cor 2:10.<>Did Paul HIMSELF hear that confession?? no he agreed with the churches decision

One more time.. your own church says there were not one on one confessions

The Catechism of the Catholic Church admits that private confession first came on the scene in the seventh century:

“Over the centuries the concrete form in which the Church has exercised this power received from the Lord has varied considerably. During the first centuries the reconciliation of Christians who had committed particularly grave sins after their Baptism (for example, idolatry, murder, or adultery) was tied to a very rigorous discipline, according to which penitents had to do public penance for their sins, often for years, before receiving reconciliation. To this ‘order of penitents’ (which concerned only certain grave sins), one was only rarely admitted and in certain regions only once in a lifetime. During the seventh century Irish missionaries, inspired by the Eastern monastic tradition, took to continental Europe the ‘private’ practice of penance, which does not require public and prolonged completion of penitential works before reconciliation with the Church. From that time on, the sacrament has been performed in secret between penitent and priest. This new practice envisioned the possibility of repetition and so opened the way to a regular frequenting of this sacrament. It allowed the forgiveness of grave sins and venial sins to be integrated into one sacramental celebration. In its main lines this is the form of penance that the Church has practiced down to our day” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 1447).

69 posted on 06/12/2015 5:00:11 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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