Posted on 06/27/2015 6:34:38 PM PDT by Morgana
Sounds to me like the Catholic Church has become a stumbling block for you.
It`s really very simple, Ask Jesus into your life, thank Him for dying on the Cross for your sins, turn from your sins, ask to Be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Come into my life, thank you Jesus for dying on the Cross for my sins, I turn to you Lord God from my sins through faith in Christ Jesus, help me to live for you day by day as I worship you read your Word and grow in Christ.
Come into my like Lord Jesus be my saviour and Lord, use me to bring more people to You Lord, Save Me Lord.
A prayer along those lines, dont vote for anti Christian politicians, have fellowship with other Christians etc
The Catholic Church and religion wont save you, a denomination wont save you. Only Jesus will save you.
“Missed the IN or just taking an excuse to avoid answering?”
Oh, so now you’re going to claim it is a typo? Here’s what you wrote:
“When the institution you worship issued indulgences, were they valid?”
Sorry, not buying it. Apologize and I’ll answer you’re question. Until then, no I won’t answer it.
v25 A faithful witness delivereth souls: and the double dealer uttereth lies. Were the Indulgences valid?
So you are avoiding answering the question ... and trying to assert that I am claiming a typo. Nice little convenient strawman you use when trying to double deal us. Were the issued Indulgences valid?
And again I ask of you, is an Indulgence issued by the catholic church valid? Defend the heresies of your institution or stand revealed as following apostasy.
“Were the issued Indulgences valid?”
Absolutely not.
Now that that’s settled...
“So you are avoiding answering the question ... and trying to assert that I am claiming a typo.”
There are only two possibilities:
1) You meant exactly what you wrote.
2) You made a typo.
Either way you should take responsibility for what you wrote. If it is a typo, then why would even bother to point out that I am “trying to assert that [you are] claiming a typo”? What normal, honest person posts like that? If it was a typo, then say so and say you’re sorry for causing the misunderstanding. I have never hesitated to apologize when I posted a typo that caused some misunderstanding. Why would you if that is the case?
And if it ins’t a typo, why would you change the sentence?
“Nice little convenient strawman you use when trying to double deal us. Were the issued Indulgences valid?”
You won’t get an answer until you simply explain what you did and apologize. It’s easy to tell the truth. It’s not so hard to take responsibility for a typo if that’s what it was is it?
Thanks, but the heart of the issue is WHY were they / are they not valid?
“And again I ask of you, is an Indulgence issued by the catholic church valid?”
And I told you what you had to take responsibility for before I answered your question. Do it or get no answer.
“Defend the heresies of your institution or stand revealed as following apostasy.”
The Catholic Church has no heresies so your statement is nothing but self-mockery apparently.
The early Church met in peoples homes and they did not dress up in funny costumes and hats, they just met in each others homes, they did not shake cannisters, they did not speak of purgatory or Popes etc
They never once spoke a word about praying to anybody but Christ/God, no mention of praying to Saint whoever or asking anybody but Christ to intervene for them.
In fact when people fawned all over them as they healed etc in Jesus Name, they strongly cautioned them to give thanks to Christ not them, it was Christ that healed them, they were only man
I owe YOU no apology. I wrote precisely what I wrote the first time meaning just what I meant the first time. I added the IN to salve your petulance. I will not apologize for calling your religion an institution, nor will I apologize for identifying the thing you worship an institution. And still you will not answer the question posed because it exposes something you are petrified of seeing.
“I owe YOU no apology.”
Really? Let’s see. You went on:
“I wrote precisely what I wrote the first time meaning just what I meant the first time.”
That means you wrote something that is categorically untrue. I do not worship any institution. For that alone there should be an apology from you for you said something about me that is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE.
Then you wrote:
“I added the IN to salve your petulance.”
So you consider it petulant for a man to say, “I do not worship any institution” in reply to a false accusation about worshiping an institution? That would mean, if I falsely accused you of worshiping your pastor, or your Bible, or your sect, or your latest car, or your whatever, anything at all, and you flatly denied that you did so it would a petulant comment on your part. Do you even remotely comprehend the absurdity of what you’re saying? Seriously think about what you’re saying for a moment. If anyone here, anyone at all, simply says he doesn’t worship something you falsely accuse them of worshiping you’re saying that person is being petulant. The absurdity of that sort of point of view is astounding.
“I will not apologize for calling your religion an institution,”
You don’t have to. What you should apologize for is falsely saying I WORSHIP an institution when I do not.
“nor will I apologize for identifying the thing you worship an institution.”
The Trinity is not an institution and the Trinity is all I have ever worshiped.
“And still you will not answer the question posed because it exposes something you are petrified of seeing.”
No, I choose not to answer your question because no man who says something so false as you did and refuses to offer even the simplest of apologies has any automatic right to my time in any way he wishes. And the one who must be afraid is the one who can’t simply man up and apologize for stating a falsehood about another man.
catholics can claim they worship the Trinity and fawn over the administrations of an institution claiming authority they were never issued, but God sees the inward parts. The Indulgences are the open proof of an heretical religion trying to appear Christian. But at its heart it serves the evil one with every insistence. And, BTW, when the man of sin is revealed, he too will have a trinity to offer to catholics. It won't make it magically be valid though ...
Run vlad run, the Hound of Heaven is after you.
Psalm 34:13.
You did what you did.
You own it.
3. To gain indulgences, whether plenary or partial, it is necessary that the faithful be in the state of grace at least at the time the indulgenced work is completed. [i.e. one must be a Catholic, not excommunicated or in schism.]
4. A plenary indulgence can be gained only once a day. In order to obtain it, the faithful must, in addition to being in the state of grace: have the interior disposition of complete detachment from sin, even venial sin; have sacramentally confessed their sins; receive the Holy Eucharist (it is certainly better to receive it while participating in Holy Mass, but for the indulgence only Holy Communion is required); pray for the intentions of the Supreme Pontiff.
5. It is appropriate, but not necessary, that the sacramental Confession and especially Holy Communion and the prayer for the Pope's intentions take place on the same day that the indulgenced work is performed; but it is sufficient that these sacred rites and prayers be carried out within several days (about 20) before or after the indulgenced act. Prayer for the Pope's intentions is left to the choice of the faithful, but an "Our Father" and a "Hail Mary" are suggested. One sacramental Confession suffices for several plenary indulgences, but a separate Holy Communion and a separate prayer for the Holy Father's intentions are required for each plenary indulgence.
And that ain’t whistling Thiess of Kaltenbrun. Did you know the Hound of Heaven poem was written by a Catholic? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Thompson
Psalm 34:13.
You did what you did.
You own it.
Nothing has changed on that score.
Just wait, THERE’S MORE! points 6 and 7 are coming soon. This need exposure, open astonishment at the presumption of the religion known as Catholicism, the institution of the Pope’s mastery.
Did you know you could be Saved TODAY, and then indwelt by God’s Life in you?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.