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The Gospel for Roman Catholics
Southern Baptist Midwestern Seminary For The Church ^ | June 14, 2015 | A.D. Robles

Posted on 07/01/2015 7:13:05 AM PDT by RnMomof7

Recently there has been a surge in prominent Evangelicals calling for unity with Roman Catholicism. In one sense there seems to be strong foundational similarities that would justify these calls to unity. Catholics are baptized in the name of the Trinity. God’s revealed word in the Bible -- setting aside their addition of the Apocryphal books, for argument’s sake -- is foundational to their worldview. Catholics love Christ and believe that he died on the cross and rose again to provide grace for sinners.

Obviously there are theological differences associated with the specific teachings of each one of these perceived similarities, and I do not want to minimize the importance of these differences. But for argument‘s sake, at least on the surface, there is some common ground.

There is also a strong agreement in ethical standards. Both Roman Catholics and Evangelicals ground morality on God’s holy nature as revealed in the law of God. This means that on the hot button moral issues of the day; the murder of the unborn, human sexuality, the sanctity of marriage there is solidarity between Roman Catholic and Evangelical ethics because they are coming from the same source.  Again, this seems to justify a call to some sense of unity.

Are these good enough reasons to publically stump for visible unity with Roman Catholics? That question is beyond the scope of this post. But there is a more fundamental question that must be answered first. That question serves as the dividing line between followers of Christ and the world, which separates biblical Christianity from every other worldview; does Rome possess and preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

The author of the book of Hebrews in chapter 10 contrasts the gospel with that which is but a shadow of the gospel.  He argues:

"And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified." -- Heb 10:11–14

The argument being presented here makes it clear that Christ’s singular sacrifice, his death on the cross, perfects those for whom it is made for. This is the gospel. It is contrasted with the shadow of the gospel in which sacrifices were repeatedly made year after year because though they symbolized the atoning and perfecting sacrifice of Christ, they never themselves perfected those for whom they were made. The gospel of Jesus Christ perfects and any other religious strategies cannot.

This principle is directly applicable to the question of Roman Catholicism and the gospel of God. Roman Catholic worship centers on the mass. The mass is a series of liturgical practices that culminates in the Eucharist which according to paragraph 1068 of the Catholic of the Catholic Church (hereafter CCC) is a divine sacrifice. Paragraph 1367 of CCC calls the Eucharist a “truly propitiatory” sacrifice. This sacrifice is performed repeatedly in the life of a Catholic.

The reason the Eucharist is performed repeatedly is because even though it is claimed to be a propitiatory sacrifice that can make reparation for sins (CCC, 1414), it is a sacrifice that never perfects anyone. According to the Catholic message grace is something that you get from God by performing certain acts.  First, God gives you the grace for faith in Jesus (CCC, 2000).  Second, when you are baptized God graciously erases the sin of Adam from your record (CCC 1257). From that point on you get more grace by doing things like participating in the sacraments, including the Eucharist. The problem is that when you commit sins, you lose some of the grace you have gained and now need more lest your grace be found wanting at final judgment. This forces the Catholic into a position where they need to return day after day, week after week, and year after year to a priest who serves to repeatedly re-present the same sacrifice which never perfects those for whom it is made, since it only offers grace to cover some sin.

This is not the gospel.

Roman Catholics need the gospel for the same reason we all need it. We are all sinners with such a messed up and low view of how holy holiness really is that we think somehow through our own efforts we can attain it. If we just had enough time and willpower we could somehow have our good deeds outweigh our bad, and this will please God just enough for me to be acceptable to him.  This is a satanic lie.  A satanic lie that to some degree or another we have all bought into at some point in our life. 

But the truth is glorious. God is good and God is holy. He is more good and more holy than we can possibly imagine. God is so good and so holy that anything less than absolute perfection is unacceptable in his presence. It is because of God’s awesome goodness and awesome holiness that in his wisdom he has offered us grace, through faith in Christ. A good and holy sacrifice that absolutely without question completely perfects everyone for whom it is made.


TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: doctrine; globalwarminghoax; gospel; popefrancis; romancatholicism; salvation
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To: jobim
Your anecdote of fractured catechesis does not a truism make.

Does posting an UNfractured one show Catholic Teaching correctly?



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141 posted on 07/02/2015 4:59:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17
When I was a catholic, it was not as though I didn't like being called a Christian, I just didn't think I was good enough to be called a Christian.

WHAT??!!??

Being 'Catholic' was bad for your self-esteem???

142 posted on 07/02/2015 5:00:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rwa265; metmom
But this is where you lose me; that we are still saved even if we don’t feel sorry for our sins?

Perhaps it's like Paul stated when he said, "...For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate...."

Even though we can <>HATE! the things we once did; the DAMNED longing to do them again manages to creep into our thought processes and bedevil us!

143 posted on 07/02/2015 5:05:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
This is not the Mormon thread you are looking for. Move along.
144 posted on 07/02/2015 5:06:23 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: rwa265
In what way do the Nicolaitans resemble the Catholic Church?


Perhaps some insight???   (or not...)
 
 
 
 
Another opinion, favoured by a number of authors, is that, because of the allegorical character of the Apocalypse, the reference to the Nicolaitans is merely a symbolic manner of reference.[3] As a symbolic reference, the "teaching of the Nicolaitans" refers to dominating the people, compared to the "teaching of Balaam" which refers to seducing the people. John, the author of Revelation, discusses domination within the church in 3 John 9-11.[8] Such a teaching would contradict "...But whoever would be great among you must be your servant," Matthew 20:26.
 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism

145 posted on 07/02/2015 5:08:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Petrosius
This is what we mean by an increase in Grace.

Can a Catholic tell when their 'grace' has reached the necessary point for salvation?

146 posted on 07/02/2015 5:10:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Petrosius
I'll go with Jesus and what he actually said.

 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”



147 posted on 07/02/2015 5:11:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
It's a sin for a Christian ANYONE to tell a lie.
148 posted on 07/02/2015 5:12:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jobim
I wouldn't do it to you.

Why don't you scold your buds when THEY do it to us?

149 posted on 07/02/2015 5:15:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
Yeah; when Jesus was ACTUALLY there!
150 posted on 07/02/2015 5:16:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
The consecrated piece of bread is called a host.

Why?

To me; a 'host' is something a parasite saps the life force from.

151 posted on 07/02/2015 5:17:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
That is why the Mass is always a re-presentation of the Last Supper.

And the Last Supper was a YEARLY meal of remembering the Jews escape from Egypt.

152 posted on 07/02/2015 5:18:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
Do you believe EVERYTHING your church tells you?
153 posted on 07/02/2015 5:19:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
There is a station in town that plays the oldies 24/7

I can't understand ANY of the stations in this town. 🇵🇭 😂

154 posted on 07/02/2015 5:19:55 AM PDT by Mark17 (Lonely people live in every city, men who face a dark and lonely grave. Lonely voices do I hear)
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To: Lil Flower
By the way, I would argue this religious forum and the way it’s operated is a major reason why people won’t donate.

How would YOU operate it?

155 posted on 07/02/2015 5:20:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Bushbacker1
But, it is my opinion.

AHHHhhh...

We all have opinions; but usually we have some basis for them.

Our Pope is the worst I've seen in my lifetime.

Can I ask, "Compared to what?"

156 posted on 07/02/2015 5:22:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation

Jesus’ ability to perform miracles does not translate into an ability to break, violate, or annul the Law.

The premise that Catholics like to use of *God can do anything.....* is a false premise.

God CANNOT do everything or anything.


157 posted on 07/02/2015 5:28:05 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Lil Flower
By the way, I would argue this religious forum and the way it’s operated is a major reason why people won’t donate.

Then people need to grow up.

Trying to blackmail the site owner into complying with their idea of how FR should be run by withholding donations, holding him hostage with money, is reprehensible.

If people don't like the RF, they don't have to click on it. Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head to read it.

158 posted on 07/02/2015 5:31:17 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie

Let me know when (if) you ever get an answer.

Actually, they don’t which is what holds them hostage to the system.


159 posted on 07/02/2015 5:32:55 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: RnMomof7

My God is alive...your’s is dead? Really?


160 posted on 07/02/2015 5:38:20 AM PDT by tioga
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