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To: CynicalBear
You have an anemic, minimalistic and ahistorical concept of what the "ekklesia" is. We've already gone over that.

Since your "ekklesia" has totally lost the thread of history and exists without continuity, without visible succession, without recognized spokesmen, without authority, without a body of evidence, without a person or an organ or a body of members within it which can bind and loose, lock and unlock, render judgments, teach, govern, sanctify, or, frankly, do anything, I can't take it quite seriously.

Christ's Church exists in history, which means "stuff that actually happened."

399 posted on 07/03/2015 11:43:55 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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Since your "ekklesia" has totally lost the thread of history and exists without continuity, [Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That's real continuity and has not changed one iota since Pentecost.] without visible succession, without recognized spokesmen, without authority, [These are accouterments of a physical institution, and The Bride of Christ is not a physical institution it is a spiritual entity] without a body of evidence, [Every person born from above evidences His Life in them or they are none of His] without a person or an organ or a body of members within it which can bind and loose, lock and unlock, render judgments, teach, govern, sanctify, or, frankly, do anything, I can't take it quite seriously. [The conflations needed to gather all those assertions together is beyond my desire to address today, but know this, The Chruich of Jesus Christ, The Bride of Christ, The Body of Christ is not a body made with hands, nor is it bound or loosed by men; only the opening to that Church of Jesus Christ is allowed to men, and that by speaking the Gospel not by striking or pouring or beading or wafering, because ONLY God can cleanse from all unrighteousness and put His Life in a human being. When Jesus said to his remaining disciples (in John 6) that the words he speaks are spirit and truth, He pointed to the operant methodology which God proved was His Way, evidenced when Peter preached words at Pentecost and in the house of Cornelius. Any 'yes but' will not change that evidence to no effect.]
401 posted on 07/03/2015 12:01:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
>>You have an anemic, minimalistic and ahistorical concept of what the "ekklesia" is.<<

Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Catholics bragging about their great numbers does them little good.

>>Christ's Church exists in history, which means "stuff that actually happened."<<

And the Catholic Church did it's best to eliminate it. The persecution by the Catholic Church of those who wanted to rely on scripture alone is well documented and has been presented here often. The fantasy world that Catholics live in is simply denial.

402 posted on 07/03/2015 12:05:05 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Since your "ekklesia" has totally lost the thread of history and exists without continuity, without visible succession, without recognized spokesmen, without authority, without a body of evidence, without a person or an organ or a body of members within it which can bind and loose, lock and unlock, render judgments, teach, govern, sanctify, or, frankly, do anything, I can't take it quite seriously.

Yeah...

I imagine this WAS probably said to the Ethiopian eunuch when he finally got back home.

483 posted on 07/04/2015 4:53:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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