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Trying to tell us (Catholics) what we believe and why we believe it?

Sigh, it gets old.

The reason the Eucharist is performed repeatedly...

The Eucharist is not a repetition of an earlier event. It is as if we are at that original event. Christ's sacrifice transcends time and space.

8 posted on 07/01/2015 8:00:17 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

So the catholic priest has the power to pull Jesus down from Heaven and put Him in a wafer defined by the catechism as ‘truly the real, substantial body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ’? I don’t think so, and therein lies the basis for dispute. Jesus Himself said that what goes into the mouth comes out through the drought. To get the Life of God in you is not done by ingesting the ‘physical presence of Jesus’. God is Spirit. Wafers are wafers and bread is bread and wine is wine and water is water. To play games of mystery magic and assume powers of magic to call Jesus out of Heaven to the catholic altar is to contradict what Jesus taught in the Olivet Discourse, that He would return TO EARTH, not in the air, at the end of the Great Tribulation. Jesus was so emphatic about His Second Coming to the Earth, setting foot upon the earth, that He revealed the event to John on the Island of Patmos!


16 posted on 07/01/2015 8:41:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Last Dakotan
No, the effect of Christ's sacrifice transcends space and time.

Jesus died ONCE for sinners and He rose again. There is no perpetual sacrifice of Jesus for us to participate in. He is not forever being sacrificed outside of time, for in that case, He'd be forever suffering and dying in heaven. Not much of a heaven for HIM, eh?

But this is what Scripture tells us Jesus is doing in heaven at the moment. The living and resurrected Jesus is seated in heaven at God's right hand interceding for us.

Jesus in heaven

Acts 2:32-36 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

Acts 5:30-31 The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Romans 8:34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Ephesians 1:15-23 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

Ephesians 2:4-6 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:1-4 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

Hebrews 9:11-17 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Hebrews 8:1-2 Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man.

Hebrews 9:24-28 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Hebrews 10:8-14 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Hebrews 10:15-18 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

Hebrews 12:1-2 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Peter 3:21-22 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

27 posted on 07/01/2015 9:25:19 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Last Dakotan

So is Jesus still being born? Is He still dying on the cross?


60 posted on 07/01/2015 1:25:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Last Dakotan
The Eucharist is not a repetition of an earlier event. It is as if we are at that original event. Christ's sacrifice transcends time and space.

Scripture on that ???

Even your church does not teach that

263. Q. What is the Mass?

A. The Mass is the unbloody sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ.

63 posted on 07/01/2015 1:33:35 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Last Dakotan
The Eucharist is not a repetition of an earlier event. It is as if we are at that original event. Christ's sacrifice transcends time and space.

Then a once in a lifetime Mass is all that's needed for a Catholic...

87 posted on 07/01/2015 5:47:32 PM PDT by Iscool
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