Posted on 07/03/2015 9:48:43 PM PDT by hapnHal
If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge? We shouldn't marginalise people for this. They must be integrated into society. Pope Francis Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/slideshow/authors/top_10_pope_francis_quotes.html#QDU6y5fekEMZIW9l.99
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[[If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?]]
If they aren’t willing to give up their abomination, then they aren’t really searching now, are they Mr Pope? God COMMANDS you to judge- Heck, He even tells you what to look for when judging- Have you not read your bible?
This pope has no boss in his mind. Kinda like zippy here in the USA.
Plus, accepting an individual is one thing, but to allow them to fill the membership, and run the seminary, and live among themselves and practice perversion, means that it isn’t about “they”, but about the organization itself.
but the gay cabal will have nothing of our mere acceptance and our love...they want our money and our bent knees in tribute....something they will not get from me...
Except for the “Who am I to say” bit, he sounds like Jesus did when He discussed hanging with sinners instead of the already good - wonder why so many denounce this Pope....
Nice - a perfect explanation. Unfortunately, none of the anti-Catholics will even attempt to understand the truth...and sadly that includes many Catholics who believe somehow they’re more Holy than our Popes.
Frankie needs to give it a rest, lighten up and shut up. Let the communist left do their own punking of Americans.
So do they then repent this sin and change to non-sinners? No! Christ welcomed all, but they confessed, stopped sinning and were forgiven. This kind of NeoChristianity allows and supports sinners who continue to sin with the BLESSINGS of the church. What then is the need for the church? I see the need for God in my life, but no need for a church.
Why are the leaders of all the once great governments and institutions in the world on a mission to debase them?. It is as if the whole world is now under the influence of the devil.
God tells us as plainly as He can that those who willfully sin cannot be given the free gift of eternal life. He defines sexual immorality as sin. That includes homosexual acts.
See for example, Revelation 22:15.
Anyone who says this is not the case is also guilty of a grave sin. Moreover, no human can revoke or nullify any aspect of God’s Word.
Ilze Scamparini
I would like permission to ask a delicate question: another image that has been going around the world is that of Monsignor Ricca and the news about his private life. I would like to know, Your Holiness, what you intend to do about this? How are you confronting this issue and how does Your Holiness intend to confront the whole question of the gay lobby?
Pope Francis
About Monsignor Ricca: I did what canon law calls for, that is a preliminary investigation. And from this investigation, there was nothing of what had been alleged. We did not find anything of that. This is the response. But I wish to add something else: I see that many times in the Church, over and above this case, but including this case, people search for “sins from youth”, for example, and then publish them. They are not crimes, right? Crimes are something different: the abuse of minors is a crime. No, sins. But if a person, whether it be a lay person, a priest or a religious sister, commits a sin and then converts, the Lord forgives, and when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is very important for our lives. When we confess our sins and we truly say, “I have sinned in this”, the Lord forgets, and so we have no right not to forget, because otherwise we would run the risk of the Lord not forgetting our sins. That is a danger. This is important: a theology of sin. Many times I think of Saint Peter. He committed one of the worst sins, that is he denied Christ, and even with this sin they made him Pope. We have to think a great deal about that. But, returning to your question more concretely. In this case, I conducted the preliminary investigation and we didn’t find anything. This is the first question. Then, you spoke about the gay lobby. So much is written about the gay lobby. I still haven’t found anyone with an identity card in the Vatican with “gay” on it. They say there are some there. I believe that when you are dealing with such a person, you must distinguish between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of someone forming a lobby, because not all lobbies are good. This one is not good. If someone is gay and is searching for the Lord and has good will, then who am I to judge him? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this in a beautiful way, saying ... wait a moment, how does it say it ... it says: “no one should marginalize these people for this, they must be integrated into society”. The problem is not having this tendency, no, we must be brothers and sisters to one another, and there is this one and there is that one. The problem is in making a lobby of this tendency: a lobby of misers, a lobby of politicians, a lobby of masons, so many lobbies. For me, this is the greater problem. Thank you so much for asking this question. Many thanks.
The bolded part above is what they always forget to mention when listing this quote.
You Catholics should not challenge your leader for he is personally in touch with God and God tells him what to do and he in turn tells you what to do.
/Sarc
I still haven’t found anyone with an identity card in the Vatican with “gay” on it. They say there are some there.
Um, sure. I totally believe that he doesn't think there are any "gays" there. /s
And it would be helpful if the leader of the Catholic Church would avoid using the word "gay". This is not Catholic terminology. It is the world's terminology. But of course using "homosexual" might offend the "gays".
And it would be helpful if the leader of the Catholic Church would avoid using the word "gay". This is not Catholic terminology. It is the world's terminology. But of course using "homosexual" might offend the "gays".
I find the quote disturbing, but not for the reason that most people do. Clearly, when one views the entire context, he is talking about one who has repented of sodomy, confessed, and has been absolved.
However, it reflects an (in my opinion) naiveté that characterizes his whole pontificate. He wants us to believe that we should simply move on once a person is absolved and pretend that the condition does not exist.
Contrast this with the clear statement made almost 30 years ago by his predecessor (when he was Prefect of the CDF):
Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.
For the first time in my 62 years I don’t have a president or a pope. Sad.
Oh I agree. It’s just that that particular quote is often used in a certain way against him and I find other quotes much more condemning.
“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge”.
The famous quote above that immediately got him in so much trouble before he had been on the job but a few months, was going to be misconstrued a thousand times over by Cafeteria Catholics in the media. Or anyone else with a vendetta against the Catholic Church.
When he says “searching for the Lord” he is referring to that person not being sexually active. And in this case, he is right. Homosexuality is only a sin when it’s acted upon.
What really bothered me about the statement was Francis became the first Pope in the history of the Church to refer to a homosexual person as “gay”, which I never do because it’s nothing in the world but a PC word that radical homosexuals stole from the English language as a spit in the face to 98% of the population. Gay means happy go lucky. There is nothing happy about the vast majority of homosexuals or lesbians. They are mean, vindictive people who are always seeking acceptance for their immoral behavior and when they don’t get it they lash out and try to make life miserable for everyone around them. And the Supreme Court decision to allow them to get “married” is the dumbest, most backwards decision in the history of the court. Kennedy citing children not having “married” parents that “love” each other and how wrong it wrong just about made me sick. Number one they should be allowed to raise a child. With homosexuals and lesbians it’s all about sex, sex, sex, sex, and more sex and ‘love’ has nothing at all to do with it. That’s why it is perfectly acceptable in the their world for homosexuals or lesbians to be in an polygamous relationship of 3 or 4 that all sleep in the same bed, or in an open relationship where both that are living together run around on each other. Love has nothing at all to do with these mentally disturbed people. They need God in their lives, not encouragement from the God-hating leftists that their immoral, demented behavior is fine and perfectly normal.
Same here. I am always ready to accept someone with same-sex attraction who wants to turn their back on the gay lifestyle. I will NEVER accept the gay agenda.
Sad, but true.
Reference: Calumny.
This is the point I've been trying to get at all the time. He does enough in the real world that is disturbing that we don't need to make stuff up or take stuff out of context to know we have a "bad pope" here.
For example, "inequality is the root of all social evil."
A real quote. Taken from a document, not from off-the-cuff speaking. Though a short extract, there isn't anything that would change it if it is placed in its surrounding context.
And something that is in contradiction to Sacred Scripture, Tradition, and ALL the Magisterium of his predecessors.
Plenty of other examples out there...
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