Fordham University Theology Department Chairman Marries Another Man

Aletelia ^ | July 4, 2015 | JOHN BURGER

[vladimir998]

“Source please.”

Too lazy to use google?

Here’s how the famed German Protestant theologian, Bernhard Lohse, talks about it:

https://books.google.com/books?id=8ccAl9sUYycC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=martin+luther+bigamy&source=bl&ots=4Nwy8RpnyU&sig=KZiLDdbBVvgJCv35_mIs41uDbpc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFgQ6AEwCGoVChMIgo7c-vjJxgIVFBGSCh20cQYQ#v=onepage&q=martin%20luther%20bigamy&f=false

[metmom]

2. Not even Martin Luther went so far as sanctioning homosexuality.

That won't stop them of accusing him of it anyway, even if it's based on nothing but pure speculation.

[metmom]

Pure speculation. The last resort of the truly desperate.

Making up mud to sling at him that only ends up coming back on yourselves.

In the meantime, you’ve got your “Who am I to judge?” pope who is leading your church down that very path.

Not to mention a clergy which is rife with admitted homosexuals, but hey, it’s all good. Nobody is perfect. It doesn’t matter what a priests personal life is like cause he’s just a sinner like the rest of us. And once a priest, always a priest. It doesn’t matter what those hands that are lifting up the host on Sunday morning were doing the night before, as long as his intent is “pure”.

But that obviously doesn’t stop Catholics in their rabid hatred of Luther from inventing things that they think he may have thought or said or done.

[MHGinTN]

Oh noes, the priest in the catholic religion is far more important thana mere man! Have a look at what John O'Brien has written for catholic instruction, in a book with the RCCnihil obstat upon it, meaning it does not deviate from RCC teaching on faith and morals:

“When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from his throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of men. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors; it is greater than that of saints and angels, grater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. The priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man – not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest's command.”

So, the priest in catholocosm is far more important than just a mere man.

[metmom]

The Catholic church is the weird one about sexual matters.

God blessed sex.

The Catholic church vilifies it.

[daniel1212]

It’s not Islam that’s been perverted by radicals. It’s Christianity.

That is not Christianity.

[metmom]

Methinks you misunderstood MUDDOG.

I read it that he meant that it is Christianity which is what has been perverted, not islam.

What we see of islam today is the real deal, while the moderate muslims are the ones who are practicing the “perverted” islam.

[vladimir998]

“Pure speculation. The last resort of the truly desperate.”

I’ve never been desperate. You often seem to be so. This seems to be one of those times.

[vladimir998]

By the way, this sure seems to be a sign of desperation: “metmom to vladimir998; MHGinTN; Mark17; RnMomof7; CynicalBear; Iscool; caww”

[daniel1212]

Who knows, today he might be among those who oppose Vatican II.

Cultic Roman ranters aside, there is zero warrant for surmising Luther would support gay anything. Luther even said that that he equate contraception to sodomy in that both are sexual acts that are not performed for the sake of procreation. And which, as with other views, was based upon what he saw Scripture saying, which is why he allowed polygamy in a certain situation. See here for more than you will get from wanned RC historians on that.

What you are also not likely to here from them was papal sanction of a second wife.

In May 1453, the bishop of Segovia Luis Vázquez de Acuña annulled the marriage of Henry and Blanche, on the grounds of Henry's sexual impotence due to a curse.[17][18] This neatly reflected the recent political changes: Castille had supported Charles, Prince of Viana in his fight against John II of Aragon for the Navarrese throne since 1451, and Álvaro de Luna, Duke of Trujillo had been executed in May 1453, leaving Henry with greater control of Castille.[19] Henry alleged that he had been incapable of sexually consummating the marriage, despite having tried for over three years, the minimum period required by the church. Other women, prostitutes from Segovia, testified that they had had sexual relations with Henry, which is why he blamed his inability to consummate the marriage on a spell. Henry's alleged "permanent impotence" only affected his relations with Blanche. Blanche and Henry were cousins, and he was also a cousin of Joan of Portugal, who he wanted to marry instead. Therefore, the reason he used to seek the annulment was the sort of spell that only affected his ability to consummate this one marriage, and would not cause any problems for him with other women.[20] Pope Nicholas V corroborated the decision in December of the same year in a papal bull and provided a papal dispensation for Henry's new marriage with the sister of the Portuguese king.[21][22] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_IV_of_Castile#Marital_politics

However, RCs imagine we look at Luther as a pope, absurd as that is, and thus attacking him impugns what we believe. Which simply manifests their ignorance or shameless bigotry.

[MHGinTN]

She just knows what a kick we get out of your three stooges act.

[vladimir998]

“She just knows what a kick we get out of your three stooges act.”

No, the kicking is the kicking and screaming of anti-Catholics avoiding reality at all costs. And clearly you guys are the Three Stooges - with the additions of Joe and Shemp.

That would mean I’m left with the role of Bud Jamison - except for that whole unfortunate Christian Scientist thing.

Look it up. There’s no more reason to expect you would know anything about that than you do anything else.

[MHGinTN]

You appear to need oil for your lamp.

[daniel1212]

Correction, the link to Luther was one which created a dialog showing why he would oppose homosexuality based on his opposition to contraception. It was actually an article posted here from Traditional Catholic Priest Fr. Peter Carota that stated that Luther said that "having sex without having children was the sin of sodomy too."

I have not found that actual quote, but,

Martin Luther's view of homosexuality is recorded in Plass's What Luther Says:[28]

“The vice of the Sodomites is an unparalleled enormity. It departs from the natural passion and desire, planted into nature by God, according to which the male has a passionate desire for the female. Sodomy craves what is entirely contrary to nature. Whence comes this perversion? Without a doubt it comes from the devil. After a man has once turned aside from the fear of God, the devil puts such great pressure upon his nature that he extinguishes the fire of natural desire and stirs up another, which is contrary to nature."Plass, Ewald Martin. What Luther Says: An Anthology, Volume 1, 1959. p. 134; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity_and_homosexuality#cite_ref-28

Also,

in his Lectures en Genesis, Luther sees the sin of Sodom as a vice against nature, man seeking a man instead of women- For him, God implanted in man a natural desire for the opposite sex and homosexual desire is the work or Satan. He clearly contrasted rightful sex within marriage and the hypocrisy of failed celibacy in monasteries, where monks engage in "Italian weddings.'" - Male Homosexualities and World Religions By Pierre Hurteau, p. 112

It is the RC idea that Luther's criteria for belief was whether it helped him dissent from Rome, and or that his basis for doctrine meant one could validly justify any view one wanted, that is as absurd as sodomites calling us "homophobic." Luther actually strongly defended core historical Scriptural beliefs, as do evangelicals, precisely because they are manifestly Scriptural. And thus they oppose the traditions of men which Rome accumulated since they are not of Scripture.

And the evidence is that those who follow men as supreme over Scripture, as Rome and cults do, end up with the most serious errors. And as an autocractic entity, Rome has manifested how much she can redefine past teaching, and thus you have the divisions among RCs. And thus it is more tenable to surmise that Rome could make future accommodations for sodomy than it is that those who hold to the historical evangelical view of Scripture would to any real degree.

[caww]

....”works with children and families”....

With his twisted mind I’d have my kids out of there in no time. Run says it well.

[caww]

Fordham University is a ‘Jesuit Institution’,

.... Hornbeck said,..... “In the last 18 months Pope Francis has taken the Catholic world by storm.” Hornbeck said he would talk about “the future of Catholicism as well as examine recent public statements from the pope on subjects that range from the role of LGBT persons in the church, to the restructuring of the Vatican Bank, to unmarried couples and divorce.”....
“American Catholics and their church have not been on the same page for some time, But now the pope is opening up space for dialogue.”

http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/fordham-u.-wont-fire-theology-dept.-chair-who-married-homosexual-partner#disqus_thread

[Mark17]

Fordham? Not a shock. If this happens at Dallas Theological Seminary, I’m giving all my stuff to those I feel will need it following The Rapture.

Roger that. I have known 5 or 6 Dallas grads. Some of the most Godly people I have ever met. I am already making a list of people who will probably be left behind, so they can survive during the great tribulation period. 😎

[Mark17]

Hey MHG, I just thought of something. You, me, MM and a few others could go into business, selling lamps and oil, to people who probably don't think they even need a lamp. 😱 Other people can sell snake oil, but think of the possibilities. We could all make a ton of money, so when the rapture comes, we will have more to give away to those left behind, so they can survive the great tribulation period. 🔥 Let me know what you think. 😎

[caww]

...Anti-catholic??.....

Do you actually think you are the only religion that's being criticized?... it's not like you're a minority or some special religion deserving somehow of being exempt.... You make great claims of being the One true church yet you can't handle being corrected nor criticized without crying out victim........ which one could easily then imagine there's a controlling element being used to manipulate people, which is what ‘habitual’ victims do. Are you looking for sympathy in order to avoid defending your faith???

You do know that catholics crying victim is pretty obnoxious anymore.... If you want to talk victim how about we talk about the decades of hundreds of seriously harmed children left in the wake of deviant priestly pedophiles and their supporters I the catholic leadership ,who continue to carry the raw feelings they have lingering still?..years and years of sexual abuse against boys by priests. Sexually assaulting a minor should have sent these pathetic and deranged beasts men to prison! ....shuffling priests from one parish to another, depositing them in homes for spiritual healing and renewal, and doing everything to keep the sordid details under wraps....hundreds and hundreds of abused victims who were prey to these despicable predators !

Your church says you can’t be a woman and a priest and you can’t be a married man and priest, .... But you can you be a child sexual predator or a child molester and a priest for decades upon decades and still remain employed working with children and families..around the world no less!

So tell us again why you're victims.

56 yr. old Father W. Jeffrey Paulish was allegedly found with a 15 yr. old boy -- who was wearing no pants -- in a car on the Penn State University campus.