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"But Tim, there are real Christians in the Roman Catholic Church!"
Baylyblog ^ | March 17, 2013 | Tim Bayly

Posted on 07/07/2015 3:02:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7

For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh. But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. - Galatians 6:13, 14

Ideas have consequences. So does doctrine. That there are true Christians who trust the blood of Jesus Christ alone to make their garments white who worship in the Roman Catholic church is no less extraordinary for being true. They are the exception that proves the rule. They go against the grain of their entire doctrinal system and many Anglicans and Protestants across the centuries put their life at risk to recover Biblical doctrine, calling to those in the Roman bondage to repent and believe. Those who imply that Luther and Calvin and Knox were fools for doing so are ignorant of what Scripture and Rome teach, or they are opposed to the very idea that ideas have consequences and that it is the job of the Church to make disciples of all men, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and teaching them to obey everything He commands.

But really, we do run into the most basic failures of logic in our blind world. Systems of doctrine which are heretical (of which Rome is our primary example, here) are generally held by those who align themselves with the churches who claim that system of doctrine. What a world we live in that we must say such an inane thing!

Which is to say, priests sacrifice Christ over and over again...

This is the primary duty of their ordination. They are priests, after all—not pastors—and they preside over the sacrifice of the Mass. This is contrary to the "once and done" teaching of Hebrews (e.g. Hebrews 7:27; 9:12, 28; 10:10).

Does it matter?

Luther and Calvin and Knox thought it does. And you? Or are generalizations so distasteful to you that you will never allow that any system of doctrine can be denounced as heretical, nor that any person who is a member of the communion holding to that system of doctrine can be expected to hold to that heresy and be in spiritual jeopardy because of their membership in that heretical communion?

Ideas have consequences. Doctrine has consequences. Rome has anathematized my faith and doctrine for over half a millenium, now, and they're right to do so if their dogma is what Scripture declares. So I reciprocate and anathematize their system of doctrine (as they have mine) because I know their system of doctrine is a fulsome denial of Romans and Galatians, for starters. But I don't stop there: I go on to the work of warning Roman Catholics to leave the dead to bury their dead, to turn away from the dead and enter Christ's true church where the doctrine of salvation has not been (and is not) corrupted by the systematic monetization of justification-not-by-faith-alone which is the heart of their error and which, tragically, their purported "ecumenical council" of Trent deposited permanently at the center of their church.

Do we really care for souls? Do we really love anyone? Do we really see deceptions and grieve over them, or are we simply committed to the laissez-faire spirituality Rodney King summarized best when he spoke for a decadent age, asking "Can't we all get along?"

The Apostle Paul writes the book of Galatians defending the doctrine of justification by faith alone and we respond, how? "Oh, Paul, there you go again getting on your high horse! Don't you know how many sincere and well-meaning Judaizers there are? And how can you know men's hearts? How harsh you are, Paul, telling them that, while they're at it, you wish they'd just go ahead and cut it all off. Grow up, Paul; are you a misanthrope? Take a chill pill, dude! I mean, really!"

Now you might resent my putting it this way, but in every discussion with weak and sentimental moderns we find that the exception to the rule is all that matters—never the rule.

Roman Catholicism is a heresy and its main heretical dogma is most clearly seen in the Tridentine documents which, according to church law, can never—may never—be repealed. Which is to say the magisterium is stuck down a mine shaft they can never escape without denying one more false doctrine which is the authority of church tradition.

And their false doctrine really does lead most of the souls under the care of those defending and teaching and preaching and practicing that false doctrine to Hell.

If all we ever feel compelled to say is that there are some people who are real Christians in the Roman Catholic Church and some parish priests who don't sodomize little boys, what have we said that anyone needs to hear?

Nothing—nothing at all. Everyone knows it and no one will argue with it.

Which really is why saying it is so very popular.

But what does a true Christian shepherd say to Rome and her subjects?

A true Christian shepherd says to Rome and her shepherds what the Apostle Paul says in Galatians: if you continue to trust your sacraments and good works to save you, there is no hope for you of eternal life.

We need to keep in mind the statement that we moderns are given over to the morbid habit of sacrificing the normal on the altar of the abnormal. Rome is blind masters leading their blind subjects further into their blindness. That is the norm with Rome and unkindness is not saying it, but failing to say it.

The abnormal is Roman priests and parishioners who reject Rome's heresies and truly believe in the work of Christ alone for their salvation; souls who trust in Jesus Christ and, therefore, love God and their neighbor. Faith working through love. But such souls are the exception to the rule and we must not focus on these abnormalities so we may not have to blow the trumpet warning of the normalities of the false doctrine Rome is steeped in to her neck.


TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: doctrine; judaizers; justification; works
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To: bike800
We don’t presume that either...

Take heart!!



1 John 5:13
I have written this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know you have eternal life.

181 posted on 07/08/2015 1:47:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HossB86
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord."

So; who WOULDN'T??

182 posted on 07/08/2015 1:48:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HossB86
And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”

O...
K...

183 posted on 07/08/2015 1:49:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

184 posted on 07/08/2015 1:52:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RnMomof7

Huh? You know nothing.


185 posted on 07/08/2015 2:02:42 PM PDT by tioga
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To: MHGinTN

Hi Brother!! I don’t do the late night posts. I always read in the morning, and it is always “amusing” to watch how quickly the emotions take over when the oil is low or non-existent. It is a great oil gauge.


186 posted on 07/08/2015 2:26:29 PM PDT by lupie
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To: xzins; RnMomof7

I WAS one.

And she’s right.

And she was one, too.


187 posted on 07/08/2015 3:25:41 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie

What does “BELEIVE” mean?


188 posted on 07/08/2015 3:39:49 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd
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To: xzins; metmom; CynicalBear; Mark17
I know them,

I was one...born and educated in their schools ...

Like most Methodists you want to "play nice' ...

One thing about those saved by HIS GRACE ,we want to speak truth and confront heresy ...

No one is saved in baptism.. no one is saved by the church, its sacraments , law keeping, good works , and the final burn in purgatory ...False doctrine leads to hells fire..I care.. Liberal churches do not....

189 posted on 07/08/2015 3:47:08 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: tioga

Born RC, Catholic schools through college, speaker at RC retreats , lector, “liturgy committee” ..etc... yea I know.. and my heart breaks for those that have not heard the gospel in the Roman church


190 posted on 07/08/2015 3:49:49 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: MHGinTN

Yes they are.

Reminds me of the Mormon threads, where they are taught not to answer the question that is asked, but answer the question you want them to ask.

Posting actual writings from other belief systems often brings out hate towards the one posting it.

With the Mormons, I was asked “Why do you hate Mormons” and when called on it I got crickets. (Cats collecting tongues and crickets abound when Truth rears it’s convicting head.)

When questions are answered with questions meant to distract from the issue at hand, it’s pretty much a given that those that do that do not want to comment on their own beliefs. Especially when they are so far from Biblical Christianity.

Yet they continue to follow men’s teachings/traditions instead of the Savior Jesus Christ’s Word.

Houses built on sand can be changed out for those built on a good solid Godly foundation if only the Holy Spirit will be called upon for guidance.


191 posted on 07/08/2015 3:57:08 PM PDT by Syncro (Jesus is God)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
The following is from a little essay on my profile page. It might help:

--faith, believe, and believeth-- all derive from the Greek word ‘pisteuo’. In the Greek the verbs give rise to the nouns, so ‘pisteuo’ --to faithe-- gives rise to ‘pistis’, the noun --faith. Important to the understanding of the use of ‘pistis’ is that it is at its heart an action word which, in the way written in the passage, is an ongoing action, an immediate application with continuous force, an unending application --not continuous if referred back to, but a thing instituted by God not man, then remaining in effect WHILE the ‘faither’ lives the remainder of life ‘faithing’. Faith is action based upon belief sustained by the confidence that what God promises He will do. That is why we read repeatedly that Abraham ‘believed’ God and it was counted for him righteousness.

192 posted on 07/08/2015 3:57:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: miss marmelstein
It is the Host. Honestly, how can we have a discussion if people here can’t even comprehend properly?

Catholics call it a Host because they believe that jesus is in it

I call it a cracker because that is what it is 100% of the time

193 posted on 07/08/2015 4:12:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: lupie

Hey sis...hope all is well :)


194 posted on 07/08/2015 4:12:42 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

That’s cause evangelicals are vulgar and insulting.


195 posted on 07/08/2015 4:14:34 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: xzins; MHGinTN; wmfights; onyx

>>>>The Catholic position<<<<<

That changes with the audience ....

Q. 917. What is the Mass?

A. The Mass is the unbloody sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ.

Q. 918. Why is this Sacrifice called the Mass?

A. This Sacrifice is called the “Mass” very probably from the words “Ite Missa est,” used by the priest as he tells the people to depart when the Holy Sacrifice is ended.

Q. 919. What is a sacrifice?

A. A sacrifice is the offering of an object by a priest to God alone, and the consuming of it to acknowledge that He is the Creator and Lord of all things.

Q. 920. Is the Mass the same sacrifice as that of the Cross?

A. The Mass is the same sacrifice as that of the Cross.

Q. 921. How is the Mass the same sacrifice as that of the Cross?

A. The Mass is the same sacrifice as that of the Cross because the offering and the priest are the same — Christ our Blessed Lord; and the ends for which the sacrifice of the Mass is offered are the same as those of the sacrifice of the Cross.


196 posted on 07/08/2015 4:16:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: xzins; MHGinTN; wmfights
You and I might not believe that, but in most cases, it's better to allow a denomination to tell us what they teach rather than have us tell them what they teach.

Ummm so you believe what Mormons tell you?? What about that Muslim next door...

197 posted on 07/08/2015 4:18:48 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: MHGinTN; xzins
The edition from which the quote is lifted is prior to 1974. The nihil obstat stamp was firmly applied to he earlier edition I have access to. It is not uncommon for the RCC hierarchy to make changes which they hope will go unnoticed. This is perhaps one of those ‘changes’. For the record, the paragraph is indefensible from the Christian perspective but apparently not unsettling to the unregenerate who are relying on an institution to bring them along into Heaven.

Exactly... Rome changes words and meanings and hopes no one notices

198 posted on 07/08/2015 4:20:46 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: xzins; MHGinTN
I think it’s all hyperbole. However, that hyperbole if taken literally is bad theology.

Is that what Methodists call Heresy ??

199 posted on 07/08/2015 4:22:30 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Without oil in the lamp, the blasphemy of that is not seen.


200 posted on 07/08/2015 4:23:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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