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Gay Michigan pastor marries partner days after being forced to resign [UMC]
Kalamazoo Gazette ^ | 7/19/15 | Emily Monacelli

Posted on 07/19/2015 7:53:12 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: Albion Wilde

It’s sickening watching Satan’s minions highjack one sect after another. And make no mistake, it is Satanic. If none follow you out, that’s on them. They’re the ones embracing darkness. Be glad that you had the wisdom to recognize evil when it presented itself and separate yourself from it.


81 posted on 07/20/2015 10:36:07 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Albion Wilde

The “Good New” Perspective Email

GC2016 Delegates Elected

By Walter Fenton

In May and June of this year the vast majority of United Methodist annual conferences in the United States elected delegates to General Conference 2016, (GC2016) which will be held in Portland, Oregon. Approximately 58 percent of the 864 delegates attending GC2016 will come from the U.S., 31 percent will come from Africa, and the remaining 11 percent will come from The Philippines and Europe.

It is widely recognized that United Methodists in the U.S. are divided over theological issues like the authority of Scripture and social issues like same-sex marriage. It is not unusual for conservative, moderate and progressive United Methodists to work together to elect slates of delegates to General Conference that will represent their views on critical issues.

According to various reports and observations, moderates and progressives did better than they expected in the Great Plains, West Ohio, and Virginia annual conferences. On the other hand, conservatives demonstrated greater strength in the Florida, Illinois Great Rivers, Indiana, and North Georgia annual conferences.

Many regional and national groups, including Good News, follow the elections closely to get some sense of how General Conference delegates will vote on a host of critical issues.

A number of annual conferences passed petitions calling on GC2016 to liberalize the UM Church’s teachings on same-sex marriage and the ordination of openly gay clergy. Still other annual conferences adopted petitions encouraging GC2016 to not only maintain the church’s current teachings, but to pass legislation that would tighten accountability for pastors and bishops who disregard the Book of Discipline.

At the 2012 General Conference delegates defeated, by a 53.5 to 46.5 percent vote, a proposal by the Revs. Adam Hamilton and Mike Slaughter to remove from the Book of Discipline the statement declaring that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching,” and replace it with language that would essentially state the church is of two minds on the matter, and therefore no longer has a consensus position on the issue.

At GC2016 delegates are likely to consider separate proposals presented by the UM Church’s Connectional Table (CT) and the Revs. Hamilton and Slaughter. The CT’s plan is called “A Third Way” and Hamilton and Slaughter’s is entitled “A Way Forward.” In essence, both plans would allow for same-sex marriage and the ordination of openly gay clergy.

However, based on informal, but extensive reporting, it appears the delegates at GC2016 will reject these proposals, like those before them. Indeed, it is quite possible the margin of defeat will actually increase as the number of conservative-evangelicals from around the world becomes more dominant in 2016 and at General Conferences thereafter.

Walter Fenton is a United Methodist clergyperson and analyst for Good News.

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82 posted on 07/20/2015 10:44:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks so much! I’m familiar with a number of these. I’ve heard a number of comments about the rift between Missouri and Wisconsin synods that make me less enthusiastic, but I don’t know enough about it to know whether it’s one of those urban myths that grow up around the different denominations. Any insight?


83 posted on 07/20/2015 11:17:00 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: Bryanw92
I came up wit “professional Christian” a few years back. I am a firm believer of Jesus as the Son of God but what has happened is a monetization of salvation. And that is very wrong.. Matthew 17:24 is the most ignored scripture in the book. There Jesus refused to pay the temple tax with his money and paid it with a fish. His reasoning is paraphrased as “Kings do not tax their children” In referring to his disciples He included them in his statement using the term “WE”.
84 posted on 07/20/2015 11:58:24 AM PDT by WENDLE (God bless America and give money to Freerepublic!!)
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To: T-Bird45

I don’t understand the reticence of the UMC to take the full plunge into a mere social group

that’s all any of the modern suburbanized Christian churches want to be...our Novus Ordo parish makes the local woman’s club seem like a group of acetic monks...


85 posted on 07/20/2015 12:34:11 PM PDT by IrishBrigade (build)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I am puzzled by why you think they would be.

Hmm...I’m puzzled as to why you’d be puzzled by that...


86 posted on 07/20/2015 12:35:22 PM PDT by IrishBrigade (build)
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To: JudyinCanada

Picture of two guys kissing slaps you in the face immediately

Far worse than that are the idiots standing there and applauding...


87 posted on 07/20/2015 12:38:43 PM PDT by IrishBrigade (build)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Thanks. We need it. It’s only a matter of time with our pastor. He’s spineless....and makes 6 figures. He’ll cave soon.

Then why call him "our pastor?" If he is on the brink, he's already compromised. No one is holding a gun to your head.

88 posted on 07/20/2015 1:44:26 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: IrishBrigade

And I am puzzled why you should be puzzled why I am puzzled. :)


89 posted on 07/20/2015 2:23:38 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: IrishBrigade; Albion Wilde; jagusafr

I think we all make excellent points on the history of the dissolution of John Wesley’s Methodism with becoming “united” with the brethren, abandoning traditional worship, ordination of female “clergy,” etc. The primary point of all of this is to validate the total lack of traction on the slippery slope once the choice is made to follow man rather than scripture. Everything can only unravel from there.

My family is Methodist back at least three generations but my dad’s oldest brother, a pillar of his local small town congregation in the years I was growing up, died in 1998 with significant assets. As an executor, I can tell you I was truly surprised he left NOTHING to that church after giving regularly for building projects for years.


90 posted on 07/20/2015 6:52:39 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: xzins

“This denomination is done if there isn’t a split”
Right you are. I’ve told my friends at my Methodist church that if homosexual “marriage” is approved in 2016 that I will be gone. I would go back if there was a split, and my church came down on the correct side of the split, but I can’t see the future, so my future with the Methodist church is up in the air at the moment. It doesn’t help that my minister is a leftist either. After the Charleston shooting, she(that’s correct I said she) gave a sermon about how White society is still racist, and we have White Privilege. She is white, and our congregation is lily white(what a hypocrite). The worst came this past Sunday when I asked for prayers for the four marines, and one sailor who were killed in the islamic attack in Chattanooga. She said we should also pray for the killer. That disgusted me.


91 posted on 07/20/2015 6:54:38 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (1 of 172)
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To: EvilCapitalist

I would just leave now and avoid the heartache. This female white guilt liberal is also pro gay marriage, and you don’t want to participate in paying her rent or supporting her rise.


92 posted on 07/20/2015 6:59:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: xzins

It’s a hopeful analysis.

I will pray for the Conference.


93 posted on 07/20/2015 7:50:36 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: jagusafr
I haven't been in long enough to have delved the historic infighting, other than that there was a group who tried to make the Concordia Seminary turn left, and they were ejected or walked out, but the LCMS has remained sola scriptura. Right now I'm just happy with what I hear every week at the services, and the kinds of people and activities at my local. Try out the web sites and see what you think -- and of course take a look at the headquarters web site, lcms.org. There is also a magazine, Lutheran Witness, and a publishing house, Concordia.

Blessings on your journey!

94 posted on 07/20/2015 7:59:59 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: xzins

I’m hardly paying her rent anymore. Our church has a parsonage so no worries about rent. As for how I financially help the church, I used to give $40.00 a week, but after her leftist rant painting all white people as racist for the actions of one lunatic in Charleston, I cut my donation to $10.00 a week. That’s barely more than minimum wage which is about what she deserves. Next time she goes on a leftist rant, my offering goes down to $5.00 a week, and so on until I get to $1.00 a week. We have a good church, and only a few leftists in the congregation, besides our pastor of course. But I am going to wait it out. I pray that the Methodist church decides to honor God’s definition of marriage at the next general conference. As for the pastor situation, she might be here a few years, but I live in the area, so I’ll likely see her leave before she sees me leave. Unless of course the Methodists accept abomination next year.


95 posted on 07/20/2015 8:00:46 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (1 of 172)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I am blessed.


96 posted on 07/21/2015 5:04:11 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: T-Bird45

I sympathize with your uncle’s choice. Sorry for your loss, T-Bird.


97 posted on 07/21/2015 5:10:39 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: EvilCapitalist

How on earth could you sit through two minutes of that spew without standing up and verbally repudiating it ? I couldn’t do it. When Satan invades the church, Satan must be rebuked.


98 posted on 07/21/2015 9:29:25 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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