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To: SampleMan

“There is no biblical basis for the assertion that Jesus forgave in separate capacities.”

Jesus was a man, and every man forgives in a different capacity from how God forgives. If you sin against me, I can forgive you for the harm you did to me, but I cannot forgive you for trespassing against God’s law. And yes, there is Biblical basis for this assertion in regards to Jesus, because Jesus spoke the Lord’s Prayer as an example to us, which contains the following, explicitly speaking of personal forgiveness:

“Lord, forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.”

Jesus spoke those words, showing that Jesus also recognized and practiced the two separate forms of forgiveness, the public (the Lord forgiving us) and the private (we ourselves forgiving others).


54 posted on 07/20/2015 12:53:56 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
“Lord, forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.”

Jesus spoke those words, showing that Jesus also recognized and practiced the two separate forms of forgiveness, the public (the Lord forgiving us) and the private (we ourselves forgiving others).

You are bit all over the place, stating we should be Godly where its convenient and then that we shouldn't be Godly, when it not convenient to your argument.

In the Lord's prayer, Jesus was either a sinner or He was giving an example of how to pray to those present. I'll go with the latter, and also state that He was providing an example on forgiveness. The "forgive us, as we forgive those trespass against us" is as direct a comparison as you can get to God's forgiveness vs. our own. Jesus is literally saying, give us Your forgiveness in the exact same manner that we provide our forgiveness to others. There is absolutely no biblical support for believing that the methodology of forgiveness is different. Only the magnitude is different.

I want God to forgive me when I am truly sorry for a sin and ask Him to forgive me. And that is the standard by which He wants me to forgive others. The only other way to read the Lord's prayer is to assume that God has given me freelance option to create new rule by which He must abide, e.g. I forgive people after they hop around three times on one foot every year, therefore, if I hop around three times on one foot.... No, I must abide by God's standard of forgiveness, not vice versa.

Although you can make angel and pin arguments about what God is capable of doing, should He so choose, it is a pointless tactic predicated on the notion that the nature of God is changeable, that at one moment He is the God of Abraham and in the next He could be a giant humorous, blue genie. But the truth is that the God of Abraham is not subject to change, so its a moot point. God forgives sin after forgiveness is sought, therefore THAT is the law. To start saying "well if God wanted to" is silly and brings into question the fundamental nature of our covenant with Him.

59 posted on 07/20/2015 1:26:42 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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