[MHGinTN]

Concerning the question of 'when', Paul seemed to have little trouble with the concept of God in a Man: (Young's Literal Translation) Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore, coming into the world, he saith, ‘Sacrifice and offering Thou didst not will, and a body Thou didst prepare for me ... (World English Bible) Hebrews 10:5 Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, "Sacrifice and offering you didn't desire, but you prepared a body for me;

Any Christian can understand that God prepared a body by means of Mary's womb. Jesus already existed prior to the body He occupied, as John chapter one details.

The Bible tells us God made Jesus the man a little lower than the Angels, to occupy that body, that human four dimensional limitations body prepared in Mary's womb:

Young's Literal Translation)
Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Because Jesus existed BEFORE He occupied that body prepared for Him, Mary is NOT the mother of God, she is the blessed Mother of the body God as Jesus took up to complete His mission of our Salvation High Priest and Sacrifice and thus our Savior/Deliverer.

The Bible makes clear that Jesus is of/from the I AM (John 14), existing before God prepared a body for Him. The Bible does not tell us upon which day in the gestation womb life of the water world Jesus came into that body to dwell for little over three decades, but it is clear that He existed before that occupying and still exists with that body transformed into a physical body fit to live in eternity. That He no lives in that body eternally in no way negates that He lived in eternity prior to taking up residence int hat body, so Mary is not the Mother of God, but she is the Mother of the body PREPARED BY GOD FOR JESUS TO OCCUPY.

[MHGinTN]

Meant to ping you to the above

[MHGinTN]

Minor errata correction: "That He now lives in that body eternally in no way negates that He lived in eternity prior to taking up residence in that body, so Mary is not the Mother of God, but she is the Mother OF THE BODY PREPARED BY GOD FOR JESUS TO OCCUPY."

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“so Mary is not the Mother of God, but she is the Mother of the body PREPARED BY GOD FOR JESUS TO OCCUPY. “

+1

PS - as we know, this isn’t to the Roman denomination, about logic. It is ultimately about elevating Mary above all humanity and making her into a demigoddess, which they’ve done.

[xzins]

We have to be careful not to be saying that Jesus had 2 natures, one divine and one human. It leads very easily into some of the gnostic misunderstandings. Jesus is and always will be the unique union of the divine and the human.

I understand our protestant urge to prevent Mary from being worshipped, but I really have no problem with her carrying from the moment of conception both the divine and the human in the person of Jesus Christ.

We need to draw back from our fear of Mary and embrace her as a huge, willing servant of God whom all generations will call blessed.

By no means should that lead to worship, for scripture is clear: Worship God. Respect, honor, and even wonder are just fine, in my opinion.

[daniel1212]

Because Jesus existed BEFORE He occupied that body prepared for Him, Mary is NOT the mother of God, she is the blessed Mother of the body God as Jesus took

Indeed: Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: (Hebrews 10:5)

But she was also the mother of Jesus as in mothering him, but as you rightly protest, "Mother of God" infers more than that, due to the ontological oneness that "mother" normally means, and the unqualified ("as concerning the flesh" which is carefully supplied by God in Rm. 9:5) and instead it is part of expansive adulation of Mary and attributes ascribed to her to the point that only deities have in totality.

But , as said, one would have a hard time in Bible times explaining knee Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

[metmom]

I'll stick with agreeing with the Holy Spirit in what He inspired in Scripture: *Mary, the mother of Jesus*.

That way, I KNOW I can't be wrong.

The Holy Spirit is clear in Scripture in calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.

John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.

John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”

Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.