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To: vladimir998

>>So humankind was ready for Jesus Christ, but not for a German monk? Your view makes no sense whatsoever.

You don’t understand the work of Christ. He didn’t bring an intellectual understanding of god. He brought God himself. He brought Grace and delivered the Holy Spirit. That changed man forever, but even the Spirit-led man had to exist in a world of paganism that required a strong, centralized political church. Note that even that church split several times before the Reformation, so division was not an invention Luther.

IN fact, he did not split the church at the Reformation. It was the Roman Church that murdered (or more correctly, had papal-controlled secular leaders murder) Reformers and eventually the Roman Church expelled them all. Then, a short time later, that same church admitted that it was wrong and ENACTED many of Luther’s reforms.


76 posted on 09/23/2015 4:15:37 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
He didn’t bring an intellectual understanding of god.

And how, pray tell, can you possibly line that up with sola scriptura?

77 posted on 09/23/2015 4:20:16 PM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Bryanw92

“You don’t understand the work of Christ.”

No, I do - probably much better than you ever will.

“He didn’t bring an intellectual understanding of god. He brought God himself.”

Which proves my point.

“He brought Grace and delivered the Holy Spirit. That changed man forever, but even the Spirit-led man had to exist in a world of paganism that required a strong, centralized political church.”

Except the Church wasn’t political. Even anti-Catholic wackos claim that Church WAS NOT POLITICAL for at least three centuries. Thus, you’re trapped by your own claim. If the Church was not political from its inception and for centuries afterward (how many depends on who you talk to, but all readily admit three centuries), then that means your thesis is logically impossible. Also, there was little centralization in the Church except on the most important of issues. Again, a mortal wound to your anti-historical thesis.

“Note that even that church split several times before the Reformation, so division was not an invention Luther.”

I didn’t say it was. The invention is yours. You’re inventing a history that did not exist. Stick to writing fiction. Leave Church History to those who actually know it.


101 posted on 09/23/2015 8:35:41 PM PDT by vladimir998
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